Dooku & Anakin vs RotS Sidious

Instead of killing Dooku, the two once-enemies team up to bring down the dark lord of the sith.

Sabers
Force
All Out

Sabers- I can see the team pulling the victory, however Sidious moved to fast for Anakin to see so I can see him being able to take down Anakin fast enough but I'm not sure.

Force-Sidious

All out- Sidious.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Sabers- I can see the team pulling the victory, however Sidious moved to fast for Anakin to see

No he didn't, because Anakin never saw Sidious fight in the movie. So Canonically he never saw how fast Sidious fights.

I always wondered why people used a N-Canon feat like that to give Sidious, who hardly needs it, leverage, especially considering it wasn't canon even when the book was published?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No he didn't, because Anakin never saw Sidious fight in the movie. So Canonically he never saw how fast Sidious fights.

Arent the books still canon?

Only when they align with what's on screen. But again, that was always the case. Anakin never, in any time ever, saw Palpatine fight Mace.

Ok so that part is just something he threw in ok. Wait this isn't limited to just canon is it? This is Sidious all around and all around he can do that, at least I woudl think. That woudl only say that Anakin doesn't know I how fast he can logically fight due to him not being able to.

There is never a time that Sidious is shown to be able to move faster than sight, so it's N-Canon. It didn't happen. It's not applicable. Yes, Sidious can move fast, but since he is never actually shown to move that fast, it's not a valid feat.

Fortunately, the Legends/canon separation helps clear the air. That scene is no more or less canon than any other Legends work, like TFU or KOTOR or... SWTOR.

You know, besides the fact those all happened, where as Anakin seeing Sidious fight never has?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You know, besides the fact those all happened, where as Anakin seeing Sidious fight never has?

But it did happen... in the book. as far as what is "canon" is concerned, technically none of those things happened.

a devious technicality to be sure, but a strong one.

No, not really. It was hardcore retconned. 2 versions of the same event can't occur and make sense. It's absolutely N Canon.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, not really. It was hardcore retconned. 2 versions of the same event can't occur and make sense. It's absolutely N Canon.

calm down, I didn't say it was canon. It's Legends.

No, it isn't. It's non-canon to Legends.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, not really. It was hardcore retconned. 2 versions of the same event can't occur and make sense. It's absolutely N Canon.

So all of SWTOR is non-canon and worthless in debates until we get perfect clarification on Dark Side vs Light Side choices? mmm

Or do we just treat them as alternative outcomes?

We saw three Shaak vs Galen fights, all at the same level of canon. If those two fought, the fight is never, ever, going to go the exact same way. They are each just as valid as the other in terms of how the fight could go.

And if you're discussing Legends and Canon unified Sidious, it's exactly the same here.

sel, I'm giving you the thumbs up right now.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, it isn't. It's non-canon to Legends.

I might be more inclined to take your word for it if you were armed with something other than indignation.

Besides, "non-canon to Legends" doesn't even make sense.

Originally posted by Selenial
So all of SWTOR is non-canon and worthless in debates until we get perfect clarification on Dark Side vs Light Side choices? mmm

Or do we just treat them as alternative outcomes?

We saw three Shaak vs Galen fights, all at the same level of canon. If those two fought, the fight is never, ever, going to go the exact same way. They are each just as valid as the other in terms of how the fight could go.

And if you're discussing Legends and Canon unified Sidious, it's exactly the same here.

Video game choices are different. There's no contradiction because the events aren't set in stone. Yes, they're alternative outcomes. Each is just as valid as the other and it's ambiguous about which occured so all are open to be recognised.

The 3 versions of the TFU is a big problem and there should be a discussion about which is the accepted version. I would not accept 3 different versions that contradicted each other.

No, it isn't. Because one source explicitly retcons the other and has a higher level of validity. The novel has absolutely no legs to stand on other than that some people want it to.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
There is never a time that Sidious is shown to be able to move faster than sight, so it's N-Canon.

...um, I'm pretty sure Sidious has fought faster than Darth Maul can percieve on mutiple occasions. 😬

I mean, even the lower level Jedi/Sith can move invisibly fast.

Nah, there's no higher Legends work to "contradict" the novel.

The fact that it doesn't mesh with "canon" shouldn't be grounds to dismiss a Legends source. I mean after all, George ultimately axed the presence of Bane and Revan's spirits in TCW on grounds that dark siders can't exist in that way after death.

does that mean Nihilus and vitiate and all other manner of spectral sith must cease to exist?

food for thought.

Yes there is. Legends still works like the old EU. Where G-Canon is above the novels, which are C-Canon.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
...um, I'm pretty sure Sidious has fought faster than Darth Maul can percieve on mutiple occasions. 😬

I mean, even the lower level Jedi/Sith can move invisibly fast.