Dooku & Anakin vs RotS Sidious

Originally posted by Nephthys
Video game choices are different. There's no contradiction because the events aren't set in stone. Yes, they're alternative outcomes. Each is just as valid as the other and it's ambiguous about which occured so all are open to be recognised.

The 3 versions of the TFU is a big problem and there should be a discussion about which is the accepted version. I would not accept 3 different versions that contradicted each other.

No, it isn't. Because one source explicitly retcons the other and has a higher level of validity. The novel has absolutely no legs to stand on other than that some people want it to.

And since there's no higher level of Legends that retcons the novel, it's in exactly the same boat.

So you decide what's Canon/Legends now? 💃

Wow, you really switch your stance depending on the debate, don't you. If this was a discussion about a canon quote saying Sidious is the strongest Sith, you'd be rambling off your head about how canon doesn't apply to Legends. Pick a side, Neph.

When you say this is an amalgamation of Sidious' Legends/Canon personas, as most discussions are, the novel is valid. #dealwithit

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes there is. Legends still works like the old EU. Where G-Canon is above the novels, which are C-Canon.

I guess I missed that. link?

I've never said that, actually. Or indicated I would.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I've never said that, actually. Or indicated I would.

just out of curiosity, Neph, if there did in fact exist such a quote or should such a thing ever come to pass, how would you apply it?

It was never canon in the EU, why would it be now?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It was never canon in the EU, why would it be now?

None of the EU is canon. Hence the bifurcation - you have canon and you have Legends, which plays host to a wealth of elements that contradict canon.

There's no such thing as canon Legends. disregarding certain Legends feats on the grounds that they contradict canon is silly.

The old canon tier system was in effect prior to the bifurcation in order to align the EU with canon in one cohesive vision. It couldn't work, which is why disney ultimately opted to part ways with the extant EU.

I don't see why the tier system dedicated to aligning the EU with canon would still be in effect when the whole point is that none of it is or shall ever be canon.

Because the holocron continuity database is a Legends source.

I'd agree with Sel on the TFU thing though.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Because the holocron continuity database is a Legends source.

Yeah, you're going to have to explain the significance of that.

It should still count in the Legends continuity

Good point.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It should still count in the Legends continuity

Not following lol.

The holocron continuity database is a collection of all the EU lore, a holdover from the old paradigm. since all that lore still technically exists in Legends, I don't understand how the significance of its existence factors in to our discussion here.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice

No.

Yes, LAL.
Everyone from Bane to Grievous have moved imperceptible fast. Palpatine happens to move faster than even Force sensitives can see like he did against Maul, on like 2-3 separate occasions (E.I. Wrath of Darth Maul, Episode 1 Journal, etc)

To the point, Sidious in all 3. The Chosen One hasn't achieved enough of his potential, and Dooku will get WTFPwned by Sidious in the Force. Sabers only gives Sidious the biggest challenge to be sure, but he still takes it.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Fortunately, the Legends/canon separation helps clear the air. That scene is no more or less canon than any other Legends work, like TFU or KOTOR or... SWTOR.

Well since the OP didn't mention Legends, I assumed canon.

If people want to talk Canon and Legends together, then I'm assuming Canon takes priority in terms of contradictions. But that's just me.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
and Dooku will get WTFPwned by Sidious in the Force.

I don't think Dooku will be as easy to take out mid-saber fight tbh. Anakin would be the easier one for Sidious to Tk Stomp IMO.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Sabers only gives Sidious the biggest challenge to be sure, but he still takes it.

Doubt Sidious takes Sabers. This duo is on a completely different Saber Tier to Maul and Opress.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, there's no higher Legends work to "contradict" the novel.

The fact that it doesn't mesh with "canon" shouldn't be grounds to dismiss a Legends source. I mean after all, George ultimately axed the presence of Bane and Revan's spirits in TCW on grounds that dark siders can't exist in that way after death.

does that mean Nihilus and vitiate and all other manner of spectral sith must cease to exist?

food for thought.

The movies are still canon to Legends. And since they're actually canon, they take precedent.

Didn't season 6 have a ton of sith ghosts though, lmao?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yes, LAL.
Everyone from Bane to Grievous have moved imperceptible fast. Palpatine happens to move faster than even Force sensitives can see like he did against Maul, on like 2-3 separate occasions (E.I. Wrath of Darth Maul, Episode 1 Journal, etc)

Originally posted by Nephthys
The movies are still canon to Legends. And since they're actually canon, they take precedent.

Didn't season 6 have a ton of sith ghosts though, lmao?

So you say. But that's all, really.

Nah, illusions conjured by the Priestesses.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except he obviously doesn't move faster than Force Sensitives can see in any actual confrontation with him. It's a bunch of hyperbolic nonsense, whether for him, Bane, random Sith/Jedi 5, or anyone.

Um...yes he does? The text clearly says so, so I have no idea what you're actually trying to argue here, LAWL.

You can ignore all you want, but Force sensitives moving faster than sight is common knowledge, and is accepted as such.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo

You can ignore all you want, but Force sensitives moving faster than sight is common knowledge, and is accepted as such.

Too bad it was never portrayed as such in the Movies or in the Animations. That's solely a Legends thing as far as I'm aware.

It's not even a universally Legends statement. Plenty of Legends material have Force Users moving at relatively believable speeds, using precog to make up for it.