Sorcerers Galore

Originally posted by Nephthys
Zannah tentacles it up.

Originally posted by SunRazer
You said Khem had Nox on par with Hord at the end of Act III, which, as of yet, seems to be a blatant lie.

So because you have taken a blatant comparison of power out of context then I am lying? Hilarious. Khem Val states Nox is Hord's successor and heir because of how strong she is. You've got nothing to stand on.

a comparison which is virtually worthless when you consider the fact that most of what we know of Hord comes from khem val himself.

I have no doubt that Hord is beastly, but what beyond that?

Do we have any reason to doubt Khem Val's claim? He respected Hord's power but has never embellished feats. We know the Dashade's stories including TKing a Hammerhead sized cruiser is one hell of a showing, breaking a Jedi siege also comes to mind.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Do we have any reason to doubt Khem Val's claim? He respected Hord's power but has never embellished feats. We know the Dashade's stories including TKing a Hammerhead sized cruiser is one hell of a showing, breaking a Jedi siege also comes to mind.

"stories," to borrow your word, aren't exactly convincing. accolades and feats from more concrete sources like the swtor codex and stuff are much more persuasive.

I mean if we took every character's claim at face value in absence of direct contradiction, I'm sure consensus would be quite different.

But again there comes the question, does Khem Val embellish feats incredulously? I strongly doubt that.

Originally posted by AncientPower
But again there comes the question, does Khem Val embellish feats incredulously? I strongly doubt that.

How would we know? What reason do you have to strongly doubt that? You could make the argument that khem val admires Hord precisely because of those feats. Or you could say that khem val admires Hord and so naturally talks him up to his new friends thousands of years later.

It's too vague for my liking, honestly. Besides which, the inevitable problem 'round here when it comes to character claims is that some people like to take some claims at face value when it benefits their positions while disregarding other character claims because they undermine other positions, with often no rationale provided.

Khem Val isn't just some Jedi Historian smoking weed though. He witnessed these feats personally and just hasn't the personality for wanking others unless they warrant it through gaining considerable degrees of his respect. Given Hord's other hype and the feats of his peers none of these supposed feats are unprecedented.

he claims to have witnessed these feats personally and I'm unconvinced by your psych evaluation of him. Professional historians and students of history can be prone to romanticizing the past and aggrandizing certain elements about it. similarly, people are more than capable of exaggerating aspects of their idols if their admiration is pervasive enough.

again, I have no doubt that Hord is beastly. But the degree to which some rank him is precariously supported tbh.

Khem being a first hand account of the events makes him reliable enough. Like AP said, he respected Hord's strength. If he felt the need to lie about his power he wouldn't have respected him as much as he did. Plus he doesn't care enough to lie to Nox about it.

Even so surpassing one of the most powerful Ancient Sith is by no means dismissable and shows how high Nox ranks.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Khem being a first hand account of the events makes him reliable enough.

khem being Hord's contemporary and servant does not mean that he personally witnessed all these events, only that he's claimed to.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Like AP said, he respected Hord's strength. If he felt the need to lie about his power he wouldn't have respected him as much as he did.

I'm unconvinced. That khem respected Hord's strength does not preclude the possibility that he exaggerates it.

darths Tyranus & vader are students of history and respect the Emperor's strength; does that mean that their every conclusion about his capabilities is 100% reliable and unexaggerated?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Plus he doesn't care enough to lie to Nox about it.

What makes you say so?

Originally posted by AncientPower
Even so surpassing one of the most powerful Ancient Sith is by no means dismissable and shows how high Nox ranks.

What does that mean? How impressive are the ancient sith with respect to combat? When Naga sadow and ludo kressh, each also ranking among the most powerful of the ancient sith, duked it out, all they did was throw bricks at each other.

Without their trinkets and artifacts, the most powerful of the ancient sith might be only as threatening as a group of angry construction workers.

Yes because two master sorcerers are going to stand there throwing spells at each other? I think not. It was primarily a sword contest with TK thrown in for advantage.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yes because two master sorcerers are going to stand there throwing spells at each other? I think not.

Why wouldn't they?

Originally posted by AncientPower
It was primarily a sword contest with TK thrown in for advantage.

I see. so what you're saying is that they were observing some silent protocol for fights to the death?

Why is no one mentioning that successor and heir does not even remotely imply superior?

I did.

and Neph doesn't want you guys to know this but I was the one who told him that so it's really my idea.

Orite.

I was too disgusted with the majority of the posts to read the whole thread

I would probably be most inclined to side with Naga Sadow.