Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
That was their promise land and that is where they settled before anyone else, originally. Why is it their fault for wanting it back? As LP said it was given to them, they didn't break any laws.
Indeed... God promised them that land thousands of years ago. It's rightfully theirs. Not Palestinians. Anyone who says other wise is trolling. Pure and simple. 👆
Apparently its their fault for getting exterminated. And then being gifted the land, the land they already settled in generations before.
Seriously who the **** in their right mind would have wanted to stay in Germany after the shit they pulled. So they can prop up the country again that just killed them all off?
I think not.
The British didn't give the land to the Jews- the British completely failed to find a negotiated point between the Jews and Arabs (not really a surprise in retrospect as there doesn't appear to be any middle ground) and when BOTH sides started bombing the UK authorities, they pulled out.
It was the UN that conceived Israel. Like it or not, that is the body with the recognised international legal authority to make such decisions.
Incidentally, OV, that is a very romanticised view of history to see the problem of Jews living in Germany as that of forgiving the German people. The problem of living in Germany would still have been the rampant anti-semitism there. Oskar Schindler was spat at and attacked in the street in Germany, post-war.
It was a completely unwelcoming place for Jews. After everything, it was pretty much agreed by much of the world that the Jews had a right to go somewhere they could call their own and not face oppression, like they had pretty much everywhere else. Obviously th way that worked out was not fantastic but that was the thinking behind it.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
The British didn't give the land to the Jews- the British completely failed to find a negotiated point between the Jews and Arabs (not really a surprise in retrospect as there doesn't appear to be any middle ground) and when BOTH sides started bombing the UK authorities, they pulled out.It was the [b]UN
that conceived Israel. Like it or not, that is the body with the recognised international legal authority to make such decisions. [/B]
So why do people have a problem with it?
Firstly because not that many people actually connect it to the UN, and secondly even if they do, no-one really has faith in the UN any more and they cannot appreciate the genuine moral authority it used to have, immediately post-war.
And thirdly because it has ended up so disastrously, so it is natural to have a problem with it. But a lot of people seeing it as a mistake do need to be clued in to how it happened- it was a very particular poltical situation in the world and it's hard to see any other way to have handled it.
Well I am glad you cleared the air, glad it cannot be pinned on one country, but many.
People will have a harder time blaming the UN, then the false idea it was the british. Up until this point I had no clue who gave them the land. Someone said British and it was their land, so there is no truth to that, that is good to know.
So as it stands, Israel is a sovereign nation. Given by world powers.
I reject the idea that was proposed that they should have chosen to stay in the country they were just exterminated in.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Well I am glad you cleared the air, glad it cannot be pinned on one country, but many.People will have a harder time blaming the UN, then the false idea it was the british. Up until this point I had no clue who gave them the land. Someone said British and it was their land, so there is no truth to that, that is good to know.
So as it stands, Israel is a sovereign nation. Given by world powers.
I reject the idea that was proposed that they should have chosen to stay in the country they were just exterminated in.
I'm just wonder, do you know the history of the state of Israel before it attained statehood and the first couple decades?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
FA, what do you think about the land being given to them? Was it not ok for British to give even though they owned it? I don't see how there is any dispute on this.
I see nothing justified about any body of authority invalidating the rights of a people to take over half the land of their country and give it to a minority against their wishes. How would you feel if suddenly some foreigners showed up and told you you need to pack your shit and leave to another part of the country?
I don't really care what supposed power the U.N. might have, nobody should have the right to violate a people's right to self-determination.
Also, the British didn't really "own" Palestine, they took up temperory administration after occupying it during World War 1.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I see nothing justified about any body of authority invalidating the rights of a people to take over half the land of their country and give it to a minority against their wishes. How would you feel if suddenly some foreigners showed up and told you you need to pack your shit and leave to another part of the country?I don't really care what supposed power the U.N. might have, nobody should have the right to violate a people's right to self-determination.
Also, the British didn't really "own" Palestine, they took up temperory administration after occupying it during World War 1.
That is basically what is happening in America with Obama nationalizing the suburbs and telling people where to live.
European's really need to get their oil and gas from USA and Canada; as long as it is from Iran and Ukraine, these problems will be cyclical and may show the world European cultural diversity tolerance is at it's breaking point. On the flip side, the USA has over 300 MSA's we can blend in the world's refugees. Clean water and clean air, somewhat.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I see nothing justified about any body of authority invalidating the rights of a people to take over half the land of their country and give it to a minority against their wishes. How would you feel if suddenly some foreigners showed up and told you you need to pack your shit and leave to another part of the country?I don't really care what supposed power the U.N. might have, nobody should have the right to violate a people's right to self-determination.
Also, the British didn't really "own" Palestine, they took up temperory administration after occupying it during World War 1.
Originally posted by long pig
They owned it. The savages who lived there weren't doing anything there anyway.
I'm sorry a primitive screw head like you who's too simple to understand basic history somehow managed to get on the internet and embarrass himself with that sad excuse of a post. You should probably just save yourself the trouble and kill yourself.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I'm sorry a primitive screw head like you who's too simple to understand basic history somehow managed to get on the internet and embarrass himself with that sad excuse of a post. You should probably just save yourself the trouble and kill yourself.
They are a million times richer now. Sorry to bust your tranny bubble.