Best MA there is

So folks, I am curious. I don't know each and every char from both companies that has tremendous MMA skills, however, I still remember most of those being up there in the 90ties. If we would rank the top 3, just the top 3, from hype, skills and if you want hyperbole, who would come out on top, without special powers, no HF, no Body reading, Mind reading etc, just good old h2h skills and knowledge.

My ranking would be in Marvel:

1. Wolverine
2. Captain America
3. Taskmaster

DC

1. Karate Kid
2. Batman
3. Lady Shiva

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[b]Comic Book Martial Artist Hierarchy [192]

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [3]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [10]
Adam Warlock, Captain Mar-Vell, Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin, Thanos

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [58]
Agent X, Artemis, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Domino, Donatello, Echo, Erik Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Hawkman, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Magnus, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Orion, Ozymandias (DC), Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23, Zealot

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [66]
Alpha, Ares (Marvel), Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Cat, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Donna Troy, Drax, Duke (GI Joe), Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Heavy Duty (GI Joe), Hercules, Hippolyta, Huntress, Katana, KGBeast, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Lobo, Loki, "Mad Dog" Cain, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Mystique, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Prodigy, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sage, Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, Typhoid Mary, US Agent, V, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wild Child, Wong, Yukio

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [37]
Aquaman, Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Beast, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Danielle Moonstar, Deathbird, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Invisible Woman, Iron Man, Jamie Madrox, Joker, Jubilee, Luke Cage, Mister Fantastic, Misty Knight, Nite Owl II, Rorschach, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Strong Guy, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wonder Man, Zauriel [/B]

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok we have got ranks for all super heroes in general what about Martial artists. Ok let me suggest a ranking.

[b]Current Hierarchy [173]

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [4]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [7]
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [52]
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [55]
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, KGBeast, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Loki, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, US Agent, V, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [27]
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill) [9]
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy

----------------------------------- [/B]

Very old posts that are not exactly accurate, but I think they at least give us the general idea.

Iron Fist

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Very old posts that are not exactly accurate, but I think they at least give us the general idea.

Hm, thanks, nice one. I guess they take powers into account not just pure skills/knowledge?

Dood stop putting Wolverine so high. He's all hack and slash, he never uses martial arts.

Originally posted by Mindset
Iron Fist

May have one of the worst costumes in comics.....but yea he's good.

Originally posted by Vanguard
Dood stop putting Wolverine so high. He's all hack and slash, he never uses martial arts.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Hm, thanks, nice one. I guess they take powers into account not just pure skills/knowledge?

Just skills. But abilities like Shiva's body-reading or Tasky's photographic reflexes are included. I guess. Posting the rules post from xmark's thread below.

Thanos is so high only because he "trained" Gamora, but that myth was busted long time ago. His tech did all the work for him.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[b]Read Me:

~Criteria~

1. The hierarchy is based on martial arts skill in armed or unarmed close combat. The operative word is skill. This does not mean someone in a lower tier cannot compete or even defeat a character in a higher tier, but considerations should only be made towards showings of skill in their appearances.
2. PIS and CIP should not be taken into consideration. CIS (i.e. characters that are intended to be highly skilled but are never depicted to that extent because of the character's inherent stupidity), may be considered depending on the character, but will be dealt with on an individual basis.
3. The tiers are defined by who is in them. There will necessarily be "low" and "high" characters within a tier, but the idea is to place a character as close to their peers as possible.

~The Top Tier~

1. The Top Tier distinguishes those who can claim title to being among "The Greatest Martial Artists" on their respective Earth, and as such is limited in number.
2. The Top Tier are characters above ~90th percentile of the total hierarchy top tier and under, i.e. Martial Artists of skill equal to or greater than 90% of their peers.
3. There are currently 18 Top Tier slots divided as follows: Marvel (8), DC (8), Independent/Other (2). This is subject to change as the list grows.

~Proposing and Making Changes~

1. Discussion should take place before a change is made. Any proposed change should have the support of at least 2-3 people before any change is made.
2. Changes will be made based on the consensus i.e. a majority vote. Anyone can propose a change and make a case for it - however once the case is made then leave the outcome to the vote. If you can't get support for a proposed change, let it drop unless new material arises to make a new case.
3. The above also applies to new additions to the rankings.
4. If you are casting a vote or proposing a change, please explicitly state as such, so that no one has to guess your intentions. [/B]

I'm aware of that fight. Thought it was garbage.

Karate Kid, duh.

Originally posted by Vanguard
Dood stop putting Wolverine so high. He's all hack and slash, he never uses martial arts.

😂

You know, uneducated posters could say the same thing about a certain panther character.

Originally posted by Vanguard
I'm aware of that fight. Thought it was garbage.

Just because Logan did much better than BP?

Originally posted by Vanguard
I'm aware of that fight. Thought it was garbage.

Why because Wolverine was better?

I could just as easily post this.

image sharing

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Just because Logan did much better than BP?

No.

And that was an insane blood lusted Iron Fist BP fought. Not everything is about Black Panther

Originally posted by Vanguard
Dood stop putting Wolverine so high. He's all hack and slash, he never uses martial arts.

What are martial arts?

Next, you're going to say boxers have no fighting skills....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What are martial arts?.

various sports or skills, mainly of Japanese origin, that originated as forms of self-defense or attack, such as judo, karate, and kendo

Originally posted by Vanguard
various sports or skills, mainly of Japanese origin, that originated as forms of self-defense or attack, such as judo, karate, and kendo

Mythologizing-of-Asian rubbish. And yes, I get to say that as I'm Asian, before people jump on me.

Worse, the focus on Japan is.....incredibly naive.

Originally posted by Vanguard
I could just as easily post this.

Just as I could post this.

Originally posted by Vanguard
No.

And that was an insane blood lusted Iron Fist BP fought. Not everything is about Black Panther

Cool.

Wolverine sparred with an upgraded Danny. Also, fun fact - sans bloodlust, red IF becomes actually weaker than classic...

So yeah, BP got a brain damage from the weakest version of IF who couldn't think straight 😂

That wasn't the weakest version of Iron Fist.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just as I could post this.

Cool.

Wolverine sparred with an upgraded Danny. Also, fun fact - sans bloodlust, red IF becomes actually weaker than classic...

So yeah, BP got a brain damage from the weakest version of IF who couldn't think straight 😂

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