Darth Revan & Darth Malak vs The Emperor's Wrath and Darth Nox

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Why would Malak lie about Revan being more powerful than he once was? Revan regaining his memories might give him more knowledge, but it would never give him more power. Him making Nyriss one-shot herself was a raw power feat anyway, iirc.

Because that's what Sith Lords do...

And knowledge=power. As characters learn more about they force they generally get more "raw power". That's why Vader's TK is superior to Anakin's despite the fact that he now has less potential.

Originally posted by ares834
Because that's what Sith Lords do...

And knowledge=power. As characters learn more about they force they generally get more "raw power". That's why Vader's TK is superior to Anakin's despite the fact that he now has less potential.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, Sith Lords don't tell their opponents they've gone stronger just to lie. That's a legit pointless thing to do.

I see you twisted my original argument hence my confusion. I was debating whether on not Darth Malak is superior to Darth Revan. Which is why I quoted that part of your post.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Or maybe every TK feat by Vader isn't a display of raw power, or Anakin himself was already capable of doing those things, and has on a few occasions.

Funny. I never claimed "every TK feat" of Vader's was a display of raw power. What I claimed is "Vader's TK is superior to Anakin's despite the fact that he now has less potential." And it is.

This is pretty much 101 stuff here. As characters gain greater mastery of the force their powers tend to increase and we see this all the time. Just compare RotJ Luke and NJO Luke.

So team 2 wins even when both of team 1 benefit from the Star Forge nexus and have the juicy Jedi chicken wings to feed off? That sounds like a stretch.

Unless Darth Revan's power more than quadrupled by the time of SoR. I see no way in hell that team 2 wins.

Agreed with Slice, Kotor!Revan > Darth Revan, certainly.

@Ares, that is basically what happened to him though.

I'll concede that KotOR Revan > Darth Revan. I'm more curious about Darth Malak > Darth Revan.

I also have a hard time buying that Revan was magnitudes more powerful in SoR. Especially since he was halfway dead by the time that came around.

Team 2 wins a straight up fight for sure and they also win the SF round with some difficulty.

You guys really don't have team 1 high, do you?

We have team 2 very high. These guys aren't anything to sneeze at. Both are easily comparable to Kotor Revan who beat SF Malak and if Darth Revan is in Malaks league then he'd get a similar treatment.

Team 1 with some difficulty. lmfao @ Freshest's retardation tho.

Ant, do you think Team 1 wins with the SF amp or without it?

He probably thinks Revan solos tbh.

They can win if Revan's lightside ghost can help them.

As a Revan expert I place Darth revan far above Darth nox despite Darth Nox evident insane power.
Malgus was barely deafeated he could hold the strike etam with Malëstrom. He only die because he was pushed in a pit.

Revan go toes to toes with Vitiate, Tzeench about ploting.. Ha no, not tzeench, creed XD. And thrawn about leading an army, and he is a beast of sith and Jedi knowledge, no one before him or after him hold a comparable treasure....

"Why would Malak lie about Revan being more powerful than he once was? Revan regaining his memories might give him more knowledge, but it would never give him more power. Him making Nyriss one-shot herself was a raw power feat anyway, iirc."

First of all Revan do not recover his full memories he never did.... So he loose power, 2nd all lightside Revan prodigue come from the discover of Darth Revan power.
2nd Malak is an old school Villan that underestimate his foes, he over estimate his army and himself by thinking he could weaken Revan and he coul be able to beat a weaken Revan....
And he saw revan weak, for converting his ennemy not killing them, not be a ruthless brut that ground 0 every republic planet, for being afraid of using the star forge (because star forge is brainwashing.) and consider Revan weak for having a brain not muscle... Because Revan always spare Malak life.... Malak consider this a weakness, he consider this as mercy, and he see mercy as a weakness..

It is not a power statement. You comic book fan dumbaiss !!!

I'll concede that KotOR Revan > Darth Revan. I'm more curious about Darth Malak > Darth Revan.

As I said Darth Revan is far superior to Malak in everythings.. But Revan di not totaly give up the light side. Where Malak go full sith brute.

Darth Revan isn't far above Malak, lmfao. Malak's fight with Revan was described as "desperate".

Does that really imply parity? Could just be Malak who was desperate tbh.

The fight was desperate, not a specific person. That strongly implies they're relatively close.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Darth Revan isn't far above Malak, lmfao. Malak's fight with Revan was described as "desperate".

+We are dealing with DARTH revan. Not Revan from KotOR... Malak had the edge at the end of KotOR except at strategical level....