Originally posted by Nai
That happened over the course of weeks? And he grew "vastly in powerful"? Maybe you want to make up quotes correctly. 😉
The Clone Wars continued, and Anakin became a hero and grew vastly in power. Upon returning to Coruscant from a daring rescue of the Supreme Chancellor, the Jedi Knight found that Senator Padmé Amidala, his secret wife, was pregnant.
--starwars.com http://www.starwars.com/databank/anakin-skywalker
That happened over the course of weeks? And he grew "vastly in powerful"? Maybe you want to make up quotes correctly. wink
I thought you were referring to the video that Darth Thor posted (or any CW fight in general).
What are you referring to then?
here is also a reason why George Lucas said that you needed to be Yoda or Mace to challenge Sidious, when asked, if Anakin could have taken the Emperor. He's not in their league, yet.
Using ABC logic is silly though given how all characters have strengths and weaknesses that stack differently against their opponents.
Mace is only in their league due to the Vaapad boost and circumstances behind his fight with Palpatine.
And just because Mace Windu states that Anakin is probably the most powerful Jedi, that doesn't mean that he is.
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"Though this is the end of the age of heroes, it has saved its best for last."
"But here is a strange thing: few of the younglings need comfort. It is instead the younglings who offer comfort to their elders. Across the Republic-in words or pheromones, in magnetic pulses, tentacle-braids, or mental telepathy-the message from the younglings is the same: Don't worry. It'll be all right. Anakin and Obi-Wan will be there any minute. They say this as though these names can conjure miracles."
"This is Anakin Skywalker: The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace. He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it."
"Skywalker came on, mechanically inexorable, impossibly powerful, a destroyer droid with a lightsaber: each step a blow and each blow a step."
"Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger."
Between all this and statements from Palpatine / Anakin himself, it's not that big of a stretch.
He most certainly is not when it comes to force control and lightsaber mastery..
And Anakin's lightsaber mastery is said to be up there with Dooku and Sidious according to Rick McCallum.
Yes. The same Lucas who put Anakin below Mace, Yoda and Sidious.
English...do you type it?
Revised: For what it's worth, Revan would have beat the teams that fought him if his spirit didn't intervene.
And taunting Anakin was the reason why Dooku actually lost the fight, as it tempted Anakin to go into "z0ne"-mode.
"Dooku slipped aside from an overhand chop and sprang backward. "I sense great fear in you. You are consumed by it. Hero With No Fear, indeed. You're a fraud, Skywalker. You are nothing but a posturing child."
He pointed his lightsaber at the young Jedi like an accusing finger. "Aren't you a little old to be afraid of the dark?" Skywalker leapt for him again, and this time Dooku met the boy's charge easily. They stood nearly toe-to-toe, blades flashing faster than the eye could see, but Skywalker had lost his edge: a simple taunt was all that had been required to shift the focus of his attention from winning the fight to controlling his own emotions. The angrier he got, the more afraid he became, and the fear fed his anger in turn; like the proverbial Corellian multipede, now that he had started thinking about what he was doing, he could no longer walk.
Dooku allowed himself to relax; he felt that spirit of playfulness coming over him again as he and Skywalker spun 'round each other in their lethal dance. Whatever fun was to be had, he should enjoy while he could. Then Sidious, for some reason, decided to intervene. "Don't fear what you're feeling, Anakin, use it!" he barked in Palpatine's voice. "Call upon your fury. Focus it, and he cannot stand against you. Rage is your weapon. Strike now! Strike! Kill him!""
Dooku's taunting gave him the edge again. Anakin only went into his "zone-ness" from Palpatine's encouragements.
Have you still not grasped the fact, that one shouldn't take obvious hyperboles literally? I didn't see a 2000 year old Dooku in RotS.
Not to mention, that you are making things up again.
"Dooku nearly lost his own foot to a slash from Skywalker who had again come out of nowhere and now carved through the table so that it collapsed under Dooku's weight and dumped the Sith Lord unceremoniously to the floor."
"That blue blade was everywhere, flashing and whirling faster and faster until Dooku saw the room through an electric haze..."
That desperate? Pathetic.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm unconvinced Anakin could safely block Darth Revan's FLS, which could fry rancors, let alone SoR Revan's.
Well consider he blocked Dooku's as early as TCW movie, and has grown in power several times since then.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Also Anakin has gotten TK'd by Barriss and Ventress, he's not some monster tank.
He's TK'd both of them as well. Getting hit by a TK attack does not equate to having weak force defences. Especially if he's not attempted to block/resist those attacks.
But taking all he has done from Dooku's force attacks tells us more than enough about how much of a Force "beating" he can handle in a fight IMO.
Originally posted by NaiThere is also a reason why George Lucas said that you needed to be Yoda or Mace to challenge Sidious, when asked, if Anakin could have taken the Emperor.
He wasn't asked about Anakin. He was actually asked why Mace brought the "B-Team" with him to face Sidious.
And his answer was- "You have to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor.. Anakin could have defeated the Emperor had he not got all beat up."
Originally posted by Nai
He's not in their league, yet.Yes. The same Lucas who put Anakin below Mace, Yoda and Sidious.
Not sure that was implied to be some kind of interdependent triangle. I.e. he didn't say you have to be Yoda or Sidious to compete with Mace.
I'd be very surprised if Anakin couldn't compete against Mace.
Also not sure how much Lucas's words still count now that he's not in charge.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
My apologies, Nai. *power.I thought you were referring to the video that Darth Thor posted (or any CW fight in general).
What are you referring to then?
I was referring to the Clone Wars, which some of the fights happening just shortly before RotS. So I'm asking myself, where Anakin goes from "gets pwned by Dooku" to "can take on Revan" in terms of force abilities. Because I don't see much of a skill increase. And the only
Revan isn't in the league of Yoda and Sidious either. Granted, he can challenge them though definitely.
His SoR incarnation takes on a dozen of the galaxy's most powerful and skillful individuals at once. I'd say he is pretty much up there.
Using ABC logic is silly though given how all characters have strengths and weaknesses that stack differently against their opponents.
Yes.
And unlike Anakin developed force mastery on par with Yoda and Sidious, Revan will just destroy him with the Force. It's not even a contest. Sabers could be a different story, but I don't see Anakin closing the gap.
Mace is only in their league due to the Vaapad boost and circumstances behind his fight with Palpatine.
Who cares. The point was: Anakin is not in their league.
"This is Anakin Skywalker: The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace. He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it."
Obvious wank, since we know that he is neither the most powerful nor the fastest, nor the strongest.
"Skywalker came on, mechanically inexorable, impossibly powerful, a destroyer droid with a lightsaber: each step a blow and each blow a step."
Woohoo. Meaning what?
"Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger."
Emphasis mine. Did you miss the word?
Between all this and statements from Palpatine / Anakin himself, it's not that big of a stretch.
FFS.
We know that Anakin, as he is, might have the potential to become the most powerful, but we also know that he isn't at that point in time. I find it rather pointless to even argue that, since everything seen on screen and stated by GL himself clearly says that Yoda > Anakin and Mace > Anakin.
Neither of which has anything to do with power. 😂And Anakin's lightsaber mastery is said to be up there with Dooku and Sidious according to Rick McCallum.
Are you serious?
So you want to argue Anakin's not realized potential against Revan's demonstrated force mastery? Face it: Anakin has nothing to offer to defend himself against a Force user on Revan's level. It's really that easy.
So you concede that Kenobi isn't as powerful as Anakin? Good.
In applied use of the Force, he is: Seen when they attempt to force push eachother during their duel on Mustafar. None of them is capable of taking the other out with the Force, hence they are equals in that regard. And I don't see much evidence against it.
I'll take my L. I made the original post then edited it incorrectly.Revised: For what it's worth, Revan would have beat the teams that fought him if his spirit didn't intervene.
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Last time I checked, the team does beat him, before his spirit intervenes and ends the fight with finality.
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lolwut."Dooku slipped aside from an overhand chop and sprang backward. "I sense great fear in you. You are consumed by it. Hero With No Fear, indeed. You're a fraud, Skywalker. You are nothing but a posturing child."
He pointed his lightsaber at the young Jedi like an accusing finger. "Aren't you a little old to be afraid of the dark?" Skywalker leapt for him again, and this time Dooku met the boy's charge easily. They stood nearly toe-to-toe, blades flashing faster than the eye could see, but Skywalker had lost his edge: a simple taunt was all that had been required to shift the focus of his attention from winning the fight to controlling his own emotions. The angrier he got, the more afraid he became, and the fear fed his anger in turn; like the proverbial Corellian multipede, now that he had started thinking about what he was doing, he could no longer walk.
Dooku allowed himself to relax; he felt that spirit of playfulness coming over him again as he and Skywalker spun 'round each other in their lethal dance. Whatever fun was to be had, he should enjoy while he could. Then Sidious, for some reason, decided to intervene. "Don't fear what you're feeling, Anakin, use it!" he barked in Palpatine's voice. "Call upon your fury. Focus it, and he cannot stand against you. Rage is your weapon. Strike now! Strike! Kill him!""
Dooku's taunting gave him the edge again. Anakin only went into his "zone-ness" from Palpatine's encouragements.
Would you please be so kind and follow the highest form of canon which is the movie. In which Dooku taunts Anakin to use his dark feelings and gets pwned instantly by Anakin doing exactly what Dooku has told him. There are no comments from Sidious before Anakin overpowers Dooku and Dooku drives him back until the point where he starts taunting him.
You're avoiding the point. No shit he didn't get older. The fact Anakin's strength is that powerful that it's described as ____ is enormously impressive.
No. It isn't. Because nothing like that happens in the movie, before Anakin goes into the "z0ne". Before that, Dooku hasn't problems to parry his strikes.
LMFAO @ "again." Where? About Anakin moving faster than Dooku could perceive?"Dooku nearly lost his own foot to a slash from Skywalker who had again come out of nowhere and now carved through the table so that it collapsed under Dooku's weight and dumped the Sith Lord unceremoniously to the floor."
"That blue blade was everywhere, flashing and whirling faster and faster until Dooku saw the room through an electric haze..."
And once more: Stick to the movie instead of trying to sell the novel interpretation of the fight as fact. Dooku dominates Kenobi and Anakin, until the point where he taunts Anakin to use the Dark Side. Before that, he manages to get rid of Kenobi and has no problems controlling the Jedi duo. That the novel depicts an entirely different fight is so obvious, that it's essentiall worthless when it comes to analyzing the fight.
You're telling that to the biggest Revan fan in history, broski. 😬
Making this even more laughable.
lolwut. Someone can be like "u suk ant" and you'll be like "Ant got destroyed."
He's bitching over how I can't use ROTS novel feats, which is pretty laughable given Lucas co-wrote the novel.
I'm asking Stigma if I can use said feats or not before I make a response. 👆
If I can, Nai pretty much has to concede to most of my points off the back since majority of the above was debunking my points out of virtue of "movie > novel."