Throwing them toward him then backwards against a pillar then using a Force Whirlwind on them is the embodiment of ragdoll. And lol what, they were all in the midst of combat.
Indeed, though Revan was hindered for a lot of reasons though. I named two on my giant post above. Did you, uh, see that? Sort of like two posts long with over 15,000 characters.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
BTW S66, I expect you to respond to my post, correct?
If it's worth responding to. But debating with you is frustrating in that it's hard to get points across to you.
I'll read all of it, and see. Just skimming it was mostly jabs. If you didn't address my questions appropriately, then probably not, as I'll take it as you were unable to. You rely too much on hype. Dooku, being canonically the most powerful force user as a jedi and an even more powerful sith, well that's an accolade hard to top, really.
S66, you do realize Revan has basically identical hype to that (and that isn't even his best)? That is assuming you did a typo and are referring to ROTS.
He's said to be the greatest Jedi of the entire era, then became "far more powerful" as a reborn Jedi, then basically got another power-boost after that.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Is it the reading comprehension you're having trouble with, or just following entire points in general, since this isn't the first time with you.No, I wasn't indicating that they were equals from those two showings alone. I wasn't even comparing those two feats exactly, though they may be comparable as far as Kenobi and especially Anakin have better showings with TK then any of them from what I've seen (though, like I said, it's never too late to prove otherwise), and the fact that they were visibly shown to mount a defense, yet the non force users were still rendered unconscious, and both Anakin and Kenobi floored (if you watch the whole fight on youtube, you can see that they were floored). What I was trying to establish is that dominating powerful opponents, even multiple at a time isn't beyond Dooku's ability, and so I'm not going to agree that Revan is miles above him just because he pushed a strike team down, or used some ability in which the circumstance is foggy. All I know from the in game feat is that he was whirling them around, and killing them slowly, but managed to kill no one.
By the way, Obi-Wan and Anakin weren't even knocked down, and no one was actually knocked "unconscious." That's something you pulled out of your ass.
Lol, "one of," Selenial.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Throwing them toward him then backwards against a pillar then using a Force Whirlwind on them is the embodiment of ragdoll. And lol what, they were all in the midst of combat.Indeed, though Revan was hindered for a lot of reasons though. I named two on my giant post above. Did you, uh, see that? Sort of like two posts long with over 15,000 characters.
No, Sidious proved capable of killing Maul and Savage instantly or at least taking them out, kinda like how he did the Anakin illusion: TK grip; finishes with lightning attack. Revan didn't prove capable of that, unless he wanted to prolong the engagement but I'd like to see that proven. Furthermore, another reason it's not comparable with Sidious's feat is the fact that Revan's opponents weren't as powerful as Maul and Savage, both of whom can take on multiple opponents themselves. And since context doesn't matter, Savage has better feats then any of them, other than Sidious.
You didn't seem as sure as I am about Dooku's handicap: being blind, heavily drugged, diminished force senses. If Revan was in an area where his power were focused and a nexus, then logically he can shrug that off, or at least it would council it out, logically.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If you don't respond, you can therefore never echo the name of Revan then in a debate unless you acknowledge his superiority over Dooku.Plus it's a mega-big concession and I will prize it as your ultimate failure in life.
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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Lol, "one of," Selenial.No, Sidious proved capable of killing Maul and Savage instantly or at least taking them out, kinda like how he did Anakin: TK grip; finishes with lightning attack. Revan didn't prove capable of that, unless he wanted to prolong the engagement but I'd like to see that proven. Furthermore, another reason it's not comparable with Sidious's feat is the fact that Revan's opponents weren't as powerful as Maul and Savage, both of whom can take on multiple opponents themselves. And since context doesn't matter, Savage has better feats then any of them, other than Sidious.
You didn't seem as sure as I am about Dooku's handicap: being blind, heavily drugged, diminished force senses. If Revan was in an area where his power were focused and a nexus, then logically he can shrug that off, or at least it would council it out, logically.
Nope. I can educate you on the ground realities of the subject though, if you wish.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except he didn't dominate them, in any shape or form. It was retarded to even bring it up, because all you did was talk shit about Revan not killing anyone with his "raw display of power," and then go on with, "And this is what Dooku can do with raw power." And this, in this case, is knock some people over. It was completely idiotic, and trying to dance around it won't change that.By the way, Obi-Wan and Anakin weren't even knocked down, and no one was actually knocked "unconscious." That's something you pulled out of your ass.
When did I say he dominated them in that instance. Still having trouble I see.
What's retarded is the notion that Revan will one or two shot Dooku with a power that didn't kill non force users. It is what it is. I'm not talking shit about anything. Again, get out of your feelings.
Yeah, they were. If you watch the whole fight, you can see them getting off the floor. And, well if they weren't knocked unconscious, what were they doing? Relaxing? You shouldn't even bring up the word idiotic.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
When did I say he dominated them in that instance. Still having trouble I see.
What's retarded is the notion that Revan will one or two shot Dooku with a power that didn't kill non force users. It is what it is. I'm not talking shit about anything. Again, get out of your feelings.
Yeah, they were. If you watch the whole fight, you can see them getting off the floor.
And, well if they weren't knocked unconscious, what were they doing? Relaxing? You shouldn't even bring up the word idiotic.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan could have wanted them dead, perhaps. He certainly wanted the protagonist dead throughout the story arc. That being said, I find it hard to believe that, in this situation, he wished them to all be bloody corpses on the floor. His plan was a mass ritual driven by the deaths of all the people present on the planet to fuel the Emperor's return. Killing off Darth Marr, Satele Shan, and the Emperor's Wrath (using him for example), some of the most powerful beings in the galaxy - in history, instead of simply incapacitating them then killing them via the ritual later would certainly fit his goals a lot better. The Emperor mocked Revan for not accounting for war deaths into the equation, so suggesting that the deaths of those individuals in combat would have aided his ritual is a mute point.Your only fact-based argument that Revan wished them all dead would be that "Revan was slowly destroying them" with his Telekinesis. If you wish to embrace this fact, then so be it, because then you have to accept the fact he would have killed them all if not for the intervention of his spirit. If you admit that he would have killed them all, majority of your argument goes down in flames and we can all sit around a circle taking turns laughing at your failures in life and forum debating.
Sounds like you're the one speculating. It's a major contradiction that he would use a power that was killing them if he wasn't wanting to kill them, unless he was unaware that he was killing them, but I take it he's a smart force user. Regardless, Dooku has incapacitated force users quite quickly and effortlessly. But you're dancing around the argument. You claimed Revan would two shot Dooku via an ability that didn't incapacitate or kill anyone.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
We have already addressed that there would have been casualties if not for the intervention of his spirit, and you seem to agree with that.
I get that, but what you're not getting is the simple fact that the attack was meant to either defeat or kill, which he failed to do despite a large amount of time being put in the attack.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
There's also the obvious fact that obviously they wouldn't kill off a main character in a boss fight
No, you're wanting to take the feat as is despite context being foggy on the account that it takes place during game play. The argument that he can kill some of the Counts caliber, whereas he couldn't to far weaker opponents do "the good guy/main guy argument" is stupid, unless there's something in the plot that clarifies his failure despite the amount of time he had to accomplish his goals. Sorry, but that's a stupid argument. You need to establish the potency of the attack, and based on what you want to take as full truth, just doesn't cut it.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I already addressed this: He was going to kill them [b]all, just couldn't at the end due to his spirit freeing the captives from his power.[/b]
I know, he wasn't but he was. Moving on.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm not arguing Revan is going to use Force Destruction on Dooku (in which Dooku would be slowly killed over a long period of time). That attack seems far more useful against multiple opponents. I am saying, well actually stating, that Revan's telekinesis he displayed through throwing them all towards him, slamming them back against pillars, and then holding them in suspension via a Force Whirlwind will easily be used as a destructive offense against Dooku that will clearly overwhelm his defenses. Suggesting otherwise is believing Dooku's Force barrier / bubble is more powerful than Darth Marr, Satele Shan, Lana Beniko, and the protagonist combined.
Dooku as similar feats against other opponents, with the circumstances being quite clear, and has done so consistently. Why is Revan being held in such high regard? Because the team was bigger? I acknowledged that,
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This is honestly pathetic. I'm not surprised Freshest is laughing at you. I am, however, surprised I'm even wasting my time responding to this retardation.
Freshest is catching flies with his mouth. Lol
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, ripping through the barriers of Asajj Ventress and two nightsisters don't remotely compare to breaking through the barriers of Darth Marr, Satele Shan, Lana Beniko, and the protagonist.
Why?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
In fact, they are so not comparable as feats the fact I even have to say the above makes me want to cry. Also, not he did not "ragdoll them to a greater extent then Revan did." You want to see what Revan did?
Uh, yeah he did. Fried them and sent them flying a at a far greater distance. And he did so while drugged up.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You're also bitching about how Revan didn't kill any of the people he fought. Dooku failed to kill the warriors he fought - and he only fought three. And oh, little Dooku was blinded?
And I wouldn't expect you to accept any notion that Dooku would two shot him based on that, so it's hardly relevant. Dooku has however accomplished his goals in taking out other force users easily and quickly, but still I'm not making such ridiculous claims.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
tl;dr: Dooku is trash. Revan is great.
Yeah but he'd beat Revan via sabers. But I know this is you stance and arguing with you is like arguing with LeGenD. Your mind is set. So, no, we won't continue a back and forth, unless you want to do a lowball contest. Having OCD, that might drive you nuts.
Not to mention you failed to provide what I asked.