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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Now even if Revan is the more powerful force user, it's not to the extent that sabers won't matter. It will. Revan has beaten a larger group; however, it did take him more time, and likely more effort, with the dominating attack used being stated as a slow process. Dooku's opponents have better feats and comparable accolades, unless proven otherwise, and he has utterly wrecked the likes of Vos (EU), Kenobi and Ventress, even when some of them had help on occasions. But the ease in which he's dominated these individuals along some of these individual's partners, no I'm not accepting the notion that Revan is considerably above Dooku based on what the majority thinks. Even if many on my side agree with Revan's alleged superiority, I don't, and I believe I backed my stance pretty thoroughly.
Dooku's superiority is sabers is undisputed in this fight, and his Force mastery is not lacking either.
All-out: Dooku wins 6/10, GG. biscuits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuTvlewO-3A&t=06s
Revan's intent here was killing his opponents.
Your only fact-based argument that Revan wished them all dead would be that "Revan was slowly destroying them" with his Telekinesis. If you wish to embrace this fact, then so be it, because then you have to accept the fact he would have killed them all if not for the intervention of his spirit. If you admit that he would have killed them all, majority of your argument goes down in flames and we can all sit around a circle taking turns laughing at your failures in life and forum debating.
Now, if Revan is as smart and tactical as you claim, then there should have been some casualties.
Dividing his power among such powerful beings, thus weakening the effects to such an extent that the attack in question was resisted by non force users.
And he did this stunt all over again?
I would imagine that with an attack of such potency, he would have rid himself of members; perhaps weak links or the most threatening ones.
What I won't do, is accept the notion that the attack is going to take Dooku out when every single member of the strike team survived it, including the non force user, concentrated or not.
If this were the other way around, would you accept that as being a valid argument against Revan?
This level of raw attacks Dooku has matched via TK or lightning.Dooku was drugged and blind here. The drug also effected Dooku's force senses. Yet he dominated Ventress and two nightsisters with a lightning attack that lasted seconds before hurling them a great distance out of his window. Dooku was no doubt aiming to kill, but with the drug effecting him more and more, causing him to stumble as the fight went on, his main concern was survival and getting rid of them as soon as he could. Dooku ragdolled them to a greater extent then Revan did the strike team, and that's even if you want to take what happens in game play mechanics as the full truth.
No, ripping through the barriers of Asajj Ventress and two nightsisters don't remotely compare to breaking through the barriers of Darth Marr, Satele Shan, Lana Beniko, and the protagonist.
In fact, they are so not comparable as feats the fact I even have to say the above makes me want to cry. Also, not he did not "ragdoll them to a greater extent then Revan did." You want to see what Revan did?
He threw them all towards him, slammed them back against the pillars, and then incapacitated them via Force Whirlwind. The sheer act of slamming them against the pillars is greater than what Dooku did (throwing them against the window). Temporarily incapacitating them via the combination and Force Lightning doesn't compare to incapacitating the team for, theoretically, forever. And in such suspension would have also marked their death.
You're also bitching about how Revan didn't kill any of the people he fought. Dooku failed to kill the warriors he fought - and he only fought three. And oh, little Dooku was blinded? ***** please. Revan just came from a fight where he tanked enough energy to destroy everyone in a one kilometer radius and was in the radius of the Machine Core that violently stripped portions of his Force essence from him.
Here, he force waves Anakin and Kenobi, both of whom visibly defend against, yet were still floored, with the push also momentarily rendering the armored pikes in back of them unconscious despite the push being diminished by the combined power of Kenobi and Skywalker, both of whom either rival or exceed anyone on Revan's strike team. And I'll get to the feats of Dooku's opponents as well, just to prove my stance.
First off, Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi hardly even budged. Compare that to Darth Marr, who's defenses is greater than any planetary shield, who was literally being sent around the entire map thanks to Revan.
Secondly, nothing suggests the duo defended themselves by unleashing a telekinetic attack in the opposite direction. It's obvious they are defending themselves from the attack. The incapacitated Pykes don't compare to the an incapacitated Satele Shan. It's also worth noting that they were back up again in a couple seconds. Pathetic.
In fact, I'm labeling this as an example of how trash Dooku is with the Force. A nearly identical event happened during Shadow of Revan that occurred after the cutscene but before the fight. Right when you engage Revan, he will unleash a blast that will knock everyone down on their feat (even though they are all ready for combat), and instantly kill the eight Republic soldiers next to you. Revan's killing these Republic soldiers instantly with the Force, compared to Dooku who is hardly incapacitating ****ing Pykes.
tl;dr: Dooku is trash. Revan is great.
TBH, EU Dooku has always been depicted as being so powerful that no single jedi could challenge him except Yoda/Windu/Anakin, of course. I mean, just look how he treats them (most of the time no jedi will challenge him by themselves).
Not of the scans or .gifs you provided afterwards remotely compare to anything I've shown Revan done. Dominating Kenobi, Vos, or Bulq with the Force individually doesn't compare it to doing it to a collective group of extremely powerful Force-users.
lmao, that's why you're going to fail miserably. I'm playing no games, and what you're doing is certainly not what I'm doing. You have yet to prove Revan is that far above Dooku that a saber would be irrelevant. It's like, "duh this is what this discussion is about."You sound like LeGenD when he makes a case for Vitiate. "too dominating; not need sabers; too powerful"
I know you and apparently Freshest have a hard time with either accepting this or grasping it, but Kreia doesn't know Dooku, so accolades from her or other in-universe statements don't apply to people who don't exist, and guess what? Dooku didn't exist in Revan's time. Not to mention that Dooku isn't limited to Makashi, which just so happens to be the best form for saber to saber dueling, so no nothing about any of this is sufficient in handling Dooku, who was right below Yoda in terms of saber prowess in the jedi order.
Dooku is utterly irrelevant to this. The quote shows Revan's extensive technical mastery of all forms. There's nothing more to it.
We can therefore conclude that, since Revan mastered all forms of combat to unparalleled degrees, he is at least comparable to Dooku in technical mastery.
It's a two-part conclusion. The first is establishing Revan is a master of dueling. The second is comparing that fact with Dooku's praise and refinery with the blade.
I don't think you want to get started on battle precognition.
You're an inferior debater.
You're not a debater.You're an inferior human.
You're an animal.
I'll debate you in anything regarding Revan, and I will win in every scenario on every topic on every post.
Dooku was able to best Ventress + two nightsisters with precognition alone.
Ventress has bested Kit who can blitz Grievous's personal body guards which are equiped with ridiculous reaction speed, so that also speaks volumes of not only Dooku's precognition but his ability and speed to react to it while blind.
I understand the reaction times of the bodyguards as portrayed in the novelization of Revenge of the Sith. I also recognize the speeds they are portrayed at contradict basically every other source, and that the book also recognizes as Jedi being capable of moving that fast as well, which also contradicts every other source. It's inconsistent.
They're fast, but no where near eight guys and all the weapons they have who fought Revan.
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Furthermore, Revan's command of the force was stated to be greater than anyone she's come across. Command only means the ease in which one can control/summon what power he has access to, which can be a little or a lot. Doesn't mean Revan's more powerful than Nihilus.
Personally, I would classify it as an indication of both - but mainly the former.
If he escapes, he loses. Talzin is perhaps the greatest master of teleportation in the mythos. What edge did it give her against Sidious, and why did she fear facing him off of Dathomir? She didn't even go get her son.
Nope, that's not what I'm referring to. He can teleport to a different part of the battlefield arena then recuperate without having to "escape". Unlike Talzin (to my knowledge), Revan's displayed the ability to teleport mid-combat.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111140132/4737229-3713252642-xRM6i.gif and http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111140132/4256088-revan+teleport2.gif.
Ok, you're not good enough at this to act like this yet. Cutitout.
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Final Thoughts: We haven't really got into lightsabers that much yet. Though in regards to the Force discussion, Revan clearly rapes Dooku.
Ventress and two nightsisters had pretty much lowered their guard when Dooku hit them with that lightning. They assumed he was finished and Ventress at least had her saber raised over her head and unable to block his attack effectively. In the next episode she does actually manage to block his lightning with her saber solo, although her shoddy footing causes her to fall over.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
This:is better than this:
Just let the knowledge of that seep within you.
Is it the reading comprehension you're having trouble with, or just following entire points in general, since this isn't the first time with you.
No, I wasn't indicating that they were equals from those two showings alone. I wasn't even comparing those two feats exactly, though they may be comparable as far as Kenobi and especially Anakin have better showings with TK then any of them from what I've seen (though, like I said, it's never too late to prove otherwise), and the fact that they were visibly shown to mount a defense, yet the non force users were still rendered unconscious, and both Anakin and Kenobi floored (if you watch the whole fight on youtube, you can see that they were floored). What I was trying to establish is that dominating powerful opponents, even multiple at a time isn't beyond Dooku's ability, and so I'm not going to agree that Revan is miles above him just because he pushed a strike team down, or used some ability in which the circumstance is foggy. All I know from the in game feat is that he was whirling them around, and killing them slowly, but managed to kill no one.
In other words, it's the same as saying Dooku won't dominate Maul with the force despite holding superior feats. Maul has proven powerful enough to not get ragdolled by Dooku with the force alone. Simple. Now if you're not understanding or having a hard time grasping my stance, well, that's fine; I'm not the best in wording arguments, however I'm not interested in your whining or being in your feelings as usual. If you can refute my point then do so, as that's what I'm interested in seeing. If you can't, then your little remarks come off as you being whiny on account of your inability to do so.
@Nova, yes sir. Lol
@ Cart, Ventress is usually only dominated by Dooku or an angry Anakin, otherwise she's on par with majority of the jedi council members, most of whom hold accolades such as "the best/most power in history," being the order in it's prime and all. Her feats speak for themselves. That's why I provided a few.
BTW, thanks Stigma.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't know why those feats are being compared. If I took that Revan feat at face value, it'd be a feat on par with anything RotS Sidious or Yoda were capable of. Probably above them, honestly. Ragdolling Satele, Marr, Lana and one of the Force protags > ragdolling Maul + Savage or Dooku.
Lmao, why is that Neph?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, because he did it to a superior team while severely handicapped.😮💨
I have yet to really mention Revan's hype besides Nihilus, tbh.
He really didn't ragdoll them though. And agreeing with Neph hurts your case. None of them mounted a defense for a force push.
BTW, prove he was severely handicapped. Wasn't that a nexus?
