True. Must've made a shit point....
Edit: Oh carver!!!!
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=603649&pagenumber=2
True. Must've made a shit point....
Edit: Oh carver!!!!
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=603649&pagenumber=2
Originally posted by DarkSaint85the problem is that there are different levels of no selling. For example, someone can punch me in the chest where I feel a slight pain but I don't budge on the hit or show any discomfort from the blow. However, Many of these will put me down. But let's say a fly is bumping into me. I can withstand millions of those without any pain. I've seen people get hit with a jab (they braced) with no effect. Yet about 20 more of them put them down. So there are different levels.
Irrelevant, carver is right.Ignore that it is one Herc. Think of it as a Joule, or whatever real world alternative you want.
If one Joule is the max energy output of something, you don't care how many times that person can outout it - becaus it has been standardised, a Joule is a Joule.
A Herc is a Herc, not 'the amount of energy a tired Herc can output, or a fully fed Herc, or a drunken Herc'. It is always the same amount. 17 Hercs is the same as the first Herc punch, multiplied by 17.
If a kid taps me on the shin, a thousand taps isn't going to break my leg.
Tbh all of this is irrelevant since Hulk tanked an attack that was far beyond billions of Hercs. So I don't see Mangog even phasing Hulk at all.
Originally posted by h1a8
the problem is that there are different levels of no selling. For example, someone can punch me in the chest where I feel a slight pain but I don't budge on the hit or show any discomfort from the blow. However, Many of these will put me down. But let's say a fly is bumping into me. I can withstand millions of those without any pain. I've seen people get hit with a jab (they braced) with no effect. Yet about 20 more of them put them down. So there are different levels.Tbh all of this is irrelevant since Hulk tanked an attack that was far beyond billions of Hercs. So I don't see Mangog even phasing Hulk at all.
When the Hulk survived being hit in the intestines by Hope, he was not on the level that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. This in and of itself was an awesome feat. Mangog on the other hand was fried by a blast to his intestines by Thor's hammer. I'm not sure if the blast was greater than the number of Herc's that Hope registered in at, but it shows us something in the least. I certainly do not believe that Mangog was ever shown to be as physically dominant as World breaker Hulk. He had better bring something more to the fight than his fists, and it had better work, or this version of the Hulk seems likely to beat the tar out of him.
This is boiling down to the implied power of Mangog, vs the full potential of World Breaker Hulk, which seems to be above Mangog's pay-grade. At least in terms of visual feats.
Originally posted by carver9
It's his maximum power output. Come on man.
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Irrelevant, carver is right.Ignore that it is one Herc. Think of it as a Joule, or whatever real world alternative you want.
If one Joule is the max energy output of something, you don't care how many times that person can outout it - becaus it has been standardised, a Joule is a Joule.
A Herc is a Herc, not 'the amount of energy a tired Herc can output, or a fully fed Herc, or a drunken Herc'. It is always the same amount. 17 Hercs is the same as the first Herc punch, multiplied by 17.
If a kid taps me on the shin, a thousand taps isn't going to break my leg.
How is this somehow confused with anything else?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Irrelevant, carver is right.Ignore that it is one Herc. Think of it as a Joule, or whatever real world alternative you want.
If one Joule is the max energy output of something, you don't care how many times that person can outout it - becaus it has been standardised, a Joule is a Joule.
A Herc is a Herc, not 'the amount of energy a tired Herc can output, or a fully fed Herc, or a drunken Herc'. It is always the same amount. 17 Hercs is the same as the first Herc punch, multiplied by 17.
If a kid taps me on the shin, a thousand taps isn't going to break my leg.
It is not irrelevant, I guess you just don't understand what this is about.
The argument at hand is, if someone has an 17 Herc output he is 17 times stronger than Herc, which is the concusion one draws when taking the "maximum power output" at face value, which is simply not true. He hits just 17 times harder than Hercules in one blow, nothing more nothing less. He is not 17 times stronger. A lightweight Boxer can hit harder than a weightlifter for example.
This is not a kid, it's a fighter. Take a heavyweight boxer against a lightweight. He might no sell the first 5 hits, but after a while he will feel it and go down.
Anyway, how many Hercs would a doublepunch (both hands) from Herc have or how many Hercs would his dropkick have? Maybe this helps you understand my point better.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It is not irrelevant, I guess you just don't understand what this is about.
The argument at hand is, if someone has an 17 Herc output he is 17 times stronger than Herc, which is the concusion one draws when taking the "maximum power output" at face value, which is simply not true. He hits just 17 times harder than Hercules in one blow, nothing more nothing less. He is not 17 times stronger. A lightweight Boxer can hit harder than a weightlifter for example.This is not a kid, it's a fighter. Take a heavyweight boxer against a lightweight. He might no sell the first 5 hits, but after a while he will feel it and go down.
Anyway, how many Hercs would a doublepunch (both hands) from Herc have or how many Hercs would his dropkick have? Maybe this helps you understand my point better.
If I poured my maximum power into one punch and you're 100 times that power, what does that tell you? It's a simple process. Why say someone is 17 Hercs when their power level is the same as 1 Herc?
Originally posted by carver9
If I poured my maximum power into one punch and you're 100 times that power, what does that tell you? It's a simple process. Why say someone is 17 Hercs when their power level is the same as 1 Herc?
The entity known as Hope registered in at 133.45 Herc's, and it hit the Hulk in the intestines. At that point in time the Hulk wasn't even close to the level that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. That was a crazy feat.
Originally posted by Stoic
The entity known as Hope registered in at 133.45 Herc's, and it hit the Hulk in the intestines. At that point in time the Hulk wasn't even close to the level that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. That was a crazy feat.
Yeah, it was an average WWH. He inhaled all of that power. Crazy showing. He was also WWH when he one shit koed Fing Fang with a thunder clap who possessed 17.34. Pak wrote a crazy powerful Hulk.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It is not irrelevant, I guess you just don't understand what this is about.
The argument at hand is, if someone has an 17 Herc output he is 17 times stronger than Herc, which is the concusion one draws when taking the "maximum power output" at face value, which is simply not true. He hits just 17 times harder than Hercules in one blow, nothing more nothing less. He is not 17 times stronger. A lightweight Boxer can hit harder than a weightlifter for example.This is not a kid, it's a fighter. Take a heavyweight boxer against a lightweight. He might no sell the first 5 hits, but after a while he will feel it and go down.
Anyway, how many Hercs would a doublepunch (both hands) from Herc have or how many Hercs would his dropkick have? Maybe this helps you understand my point better.
Your argument is like arguing with someone when they say their car has 150 horsepower.
'Is that horse running? Walking? Is it a tired horse? How big is this horse? Is it fully fed? What if the horse is on two legs?' Etc etc. No. You don't get hung up on the horse or its characteristics.
One would imagine Herc, with all his fighting experience, would know how to best utilise his strength in a punch. Not as a weightlifter, but as a boxer (which Pankration has a lot of). So your analogy is defunct - as Herc is a fighter who knows how to best express his power in a punch.
Originally posted by Stoic
It doesn't take much to knock a guy weighing less than a ton over when you can carry the entire island of Manhattan.
Why didn't WWH no sell it like the 133 Hercs power then? If at average WWH levels he can resist the 133 hercs, this should be a tap from a child. It's not a suckerpunch, it doesn't come as a surprise it's a fight, so Hulk could have just stood there and smiled it away, he should be able to if we take the 133 herc at face value.
Originally posted by Stoic
It doesn't take much to knock a guy weighing less than a ton over when you can carry the entire island of Manhattan.
It was a sneak attack. This is what happened before Herc uppercut him.
Herc admitted after their encounter that Hulk was holding back and could've killed all of them if he wanted.
Ok so for the people who are not familiar with the story, let's break it down a bit so everyone can think about it for himself.
What we are discussing here is if Hulk can tank 133 hercs OR 133 of hercs best blows in the form of mystic energy.
The feat it's about, sorry don't have the scans, maybe someone else can help, is Hulk eating the energies of Pandora and digesting them, he reverses to banner and goes back to hulk, which is a nice durability feat. As stated before the mystic energies were around 133 on the herc scale.
Now, my point is that the total of those energies equaled the energy herc can muster on his best blow. What you guys suggest is that the energy equals the energy of 133 hercs, which is imho just wrong, as herc himself has the energy to expend more than one herc of energy.
Hulk never tank a physical punch equaling 133 hercs btw, so this might be the difference and the reason why he could digest it.
Someone like Captain Marvel, Hyperion, Superman, Thor or Silver Surfer should be able to absorb and "digest" this amount of energy too in the form it was presented.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok so for the people who are not familiar with the story, let's break it down a bit so everyone can think about it for himself.What we are discussing here is if Hulk can tank 133 hercs OR 133 of hercs best blows in the form of mystic energy.
The feat it's about, sorry don't have the scans, maybe someone else can help, is Hulk eating the energies of Pandora and digesting them, he reverses to banner and goes back to hulk, which is a nice durability feat. As stated before the mystic energies were around 133 on the herc scale.
Now, my point is that the total of those energies equaled the energy herc can muster on his best blow. What you guys suggest is that the energy equals the energy of 133 hercs, which is imho just wrong, as herc himself has the energy to expend more than one herc of energy.
Hulk never tank a physical punch equaling 133 hercs btw, so this might be the difference and the reason why he could digest it.
Someone like Captain Marvel, Hyperion, Superman, Thor or Silver Surfer should be able to absorb and "digest" this amount of energy too in the form it was presented.
How can Herc expend more energy than his maximum power output.
How many of these blows could Superman have taken?
Let's assume that was Hulk maximum power output with that blow that we see in the scan.