Originally posted by Galan007👆
Back in the day, the South Kaioshin, for example, would have more closely monitored the happenings of that particular galaxy/area(he might see things the Kaio did not), and would have also been responsible for the 'upkeep'(ie. the creation of worlds/lifeforms) within that portion of the universe... That's what the function of each Kaioshin would have been.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Look at this pussy whipped dodging duck, how easy for you to dodge the GT vs DBS threads.
If only you could understand how beneath me it is to argue with an undeveloped simian like yourself. I know you'll never accept the fact that SSJ2 GT Goku could rofl-stomp the entirety of DBS, even though it is simple fact.
Just because GT isn't cannon to DBZ/DBS, doesn't mean that they aren't cannon to it. And base Goku from GT is stronger than Super Buu from DBZ. Meaning he's over 8 times stronger than SSJ3 DBZ Goku. Even if SSJ3 DBZ Goku was only 1% as strong as Beerus, that would still make base GT Goku over 8% as strong as him. So SSJ1 GT Goku would already be 400% Beerus level, or 4X stronger than Beerus. Meaning that he would be stronger than Whiss. In SSJ1. And this is all lowballing.
But it doesn't matter, because you, like a child, don't like it, therefor won't accept it. So continue with your laughably hypocritical insults, because you're just getting yourself reported more and more. 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
If only you could understand how beneath me it is to argue with an undeveloped simian like yourself. I know you'll never accept the fact that SSJ2 GT Goku could rofl-stomp the entirety of DBS, even though it is simple fact.Just because GT isn't cannon to DBZ/DBS, doesn't mean that they aren't cannon to it. And base Goku from GT is stronger than Super Buu from DBZ. Meaning he's over 8 times stronger than SSJ3 DBZ Goku. Even if SSJ3 DBZ Goku was only 1% as strong as Beerus, that would still make base GT Goku over 8% as strong as him. So SSJ1 GT Goku would already be 400% Beerus level, or 4X stronger than Beerus. Meaning that he would be stronger than Whiss. In SSJ1. And this is all lowballing.
But it doesn't matter, because you, like a child, don't like it, therefor won't accept it. So continue with your laughably hypocritical insults, because you're just getting yourself reported more and more. 👆
Please just stop...
You are the only one who thinks GT is superior. These numbers you are presenting mean absolutely nothing when you have characters destroying the universe with their punches. I didn't see SS4 Gogeta and Omega Shenron doing that. You know why, because he cant.
I just think you like GT characters more and refuse to see them as inferior. Everybody has their opinions I guess. (even if they are complete wrong like yours)
Originally posted by bbrem123
Please just stop...You are the only one who thinks GT is superior. These numbers you are presenting mean absolutely nothing when you have characters destroying the universe with their punches. I didn't see SS4 Gogeta and Omega Shenron doing that. You know why, because he cant.
I just think you like GT characters more and refuse to see them as inferior. Everybody has their opinions I guess. (even if they are complete wrong like yours)
Literally everyone else agree's with me.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t616287.html
Literally the only person I need on my side here is Galan though. And again, feats are feats, but statements count just as well, because of how linearly feats work in DBZ/S/GT. If someone has a higher power level than Goku, he can perform greater feats than Goku. That simple.
Meaning that SSJ Goku from GT would be universe level as well, considering that he would already be stronger than Whiss.
And in DBS, Beerus stated he was using 10% against SSJ2 Vegeta. And Vegeta still surprised him with several hits. Meaning that SSJ2 Vegeta would have been at least 5% Beerus level, and if not that, then 1% is the lowest we could reasonably assume, given that a gap of just 2X in DBZ was enough to account for a total casual stomp like the one Gohan gave Cell. And a gap of just 50% was enough for Whiss to ONE-SHOT Beerus.
So even assuming ALL THAT, and lowballing it as much as possible, GT base Goku would still be AT LEAST 8% Beerus level. Meaning that, with the 50X SSJ multiplier, he would be 4 times stronger than him as a SSJ1. Which means he'd be effectively 3.5 times stronger than Whiss. And keep in mind, these are bare minimums. 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaI legit don't know anybody that agrees with you. Only person I can think of is BeyonderGod and he is a fool. The numbers are great and all. DBS just proves that these attempt to use numbers to determine power do not work at all. I can't see how you can argue these calculations of yours over the actual crazy feats that we have seen in DBS.
Literally everyone else agree's with me.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t616287.html
Literally the only person I need on my side here is Galan though. And again, feats are feats, but statements count just as well, because of how linearly feats work in DBZ/S/GT. If someone has a higher power level than Goku, he can perform greater feats than Goku. That simple.
Meaning that SSJ Goku from GT would be universe level as well, considering that he would already be stronger than Whiss.
And in DBS, Beerus stated he was using 10% against SSJ2 Vegeta. And Vegeta still surprised him with several hits. Meaning that SSJ2 Vegeta would have been at least 5% Beerus level, and if not that, then 1% is the lowest we could reasonably assume, given that a gap of just 2X in DBZ was enough to account for a total casual stomp like the one Gohan gave Cell. And a gap of just 50% was enough for Whiss to ONE-SHOT Beerus.
So even assuming ALL THAT, and lowballing it as much as possible, GT base Goku would still be [B]AT LEAST
8% Beerus level. Meaning that, with the 50X SSJ multiplier, he would be 4 times stronger than him as a SSJ1. Which means he'd be effectively 3.5 times stronger than Whiss. And keep in mind, these are bare minimums. 👆 [/B]
Originally posted by bbrem123
I legit don't know anybody that agrees with you. Only person I can think of is BeyonderGod and he is a fool. The numbers are great and all. DBS just proves that these attempt to use numbers to determine power do not work at all. I can't see how you can argue these calculations of yours over the actual crazy feats that we have seen in DBS.
You can't just ignore the statements, and numbers, bro. I just gave cold, hard proof that the GT characters would be logically stronger than the Super characters. Why are you, of all people, pushing for feats right now, when Goku still hasn't even blown up a planet? We all know Goku could blow up a planet by accidentally farting too hard at this point, but he's never done it, so by the logic you're throwing around, he can't.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Kibito Kai being defused means that DBS is in no way connected to GT. It is an actual impossibility.
I actually didn't get to finish the twelfth episode, so I just now found out about this. I could still argue though, that they refuse at some point. 😄
Originally posted by Blockythe1guy
Gogeta, How would you think GT Characters is still more powerful then God Goku or even Beerus who done universal feats? Whlie GT has none?Even Galan thinks DBS-era power>GT-era power now thanks to EP.12
The feats don't mean that much, lol. There were statements that put characters at universe level in GT.
But I am starting to get skeptical about this, because of the Kibitoshin thing. It doesn't change the fact though, that if you take base GT Goku, he would still be the same level as 8% Beerus, like I said. Simply given the fact that he's 8 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku. And this is putting SSJG at a 60X boost to SSJ3, so I'm being ridiculously generous with this.
So presumably, the same exact feats could be replicated by SSJ1 GT Goku, who by simple scaling, would be stronger than Whiss.
And even with the most lowballing possible, putting base GT Goku as SSJ3 DBZ Goku's equal, that would STILL mean that SSJ2 GT Goku would be Beerus's HARD equal, with him being 4X stronger than Beerus in SSJ3, and conversely still 3.5 times stronger than Whiss.
Originally posted by bbrem123
Sorry man. You are alone with thinking GT is superior. The numbers can only take you so far with how powerful they are. DBS is just on another level.
You literally just said I was wrong, and then repeated me.
The numbers put GT above DBS, by a large margin.
But the feats simply aren't comparable. The DBS feat of destroying a universe with a punch, is literally unfathomably greater than Superman's greatest feats. The only Superman who can compare, is the Thought Robot, and Goku/Beerus achieved this feat CASUALLY while not even using full power.
Honestly, Dragon Ball Super has already put the DBZ characters at levels above Sailor Moon, Superman, Akira, and on the level of the massive high/god tiers from series like Tenchi Muyo. Even DC God tiers can't compare to universe busting with a punch, and flying across galaxies in just a few seconds.
Originally posted by bbrem123
Im just saying the numbers are obviously inaccurate/dont mean anything.
No, they're accurate. And if someone who didn't use godly ki, say like Goten or Trunks, got the point one day where they were stronger than Super Buu in their base forms, then they would be stronger than current Whiss and Beerus as SSJ1's.
But GT is completely irrelevant, as of current. Meaning that it might as well not even exist. So they have only feats to rely on, meaning that SSJ4 tiers are around Saiyan Saga Vegeta level now.
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaThis is not true at all. Feats say otherwise. This Beerus/Goku feats proves the numbers are wrong. No way around it. We would have seen similiar feats if they were "stronger" like you imply.
No, they're accurate. And if someone who didn't use godly ki, say like Goten or Trunks, got the point one day where they were stronger than Super Buu in their base forms, then they would be stronger than current Whiss and Beerus as SSJ1's.
Originally posted by bbrem123
This is not true at all. Feats say otherwise. This Beerus/Goku feats proves the numbers are wrong. No way around it. We would have seen similiar feats if they were "stronger" like you imply.
What the hell did I just say?
The numbers are CORRECT. The feats do not match up.
This is the simple reason why GT is now weaker. Marginally.
What about this don't you understand? You're literally rephrasing my words, and acting as though you're disagreeing with me.
The simple fact of the matter is that GT should have multiversal/omniversal level feats, instead of planetary ones. This is what's called AN INCONSISTENCY. Meaning that we cannot accept it or consider it.
Again though, "if someone who didn't use godly ki, say like Goten or Trunks, got the point one day where they were stronger than Super Buu in their base forms, then they would be stronger than current Whiss and Beerus as SSJ1's."
^ This remains true. Meaning that Beerus is only AT BEST 100 times stronger than SSJ3 DBZ Goku. So anyone who is MORE than 100 times stronger than SSJ3 DBZ Goku is ALSO stronger than Beerus. What don't you understand about this?
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaNo the numbers are incorrect. Which means the numbers are meaningless and misleading. Do you see what I'm saying? If the numbers were correct we would see feats that match said numbers. But that is not the case.
What the hell did I just say?The numbers are CORRECT. The feats do not match up.
This is the simple reason why GT is now weaker. Marginally.
What about this don't you understand? You're literally rephrasing my words, and acting as though you're disagreeing with me.
The simple fact of the matter is that GT should have multiversal/omniversal level feats, instead of planetary ones. This is what's called AN INCONSISTENCY. Meaning that we cannot accept it or consider it.
Again though, "if someone who didn't use godly ki, say like Goten or Trunks, got the point one day where they were stronger than Super Buu in their base forms, then they would be stronger than current Whiss and Beerus as SSJ1's."
^ This remains true. Meaning that Beerus is only AT BEST 100 times stronger than SSJ3 DBZ Goku. So anyone who is MORE than 100 times stronger than SSJ3 DBZ Goku is ALSO stronger than Beerus. What don't you understand about this?