Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
What the hell did I just say?The numbers are CORRECT. The feats do not match up.
This is the simple reason why GT is now weaker. Marginally.
What about this don't you understand? You're literally rephrasing my words, and acting as though you're disagreeing with me.
The simple fact of the matter is that GT should have multiversal/omniversal level feats, instead of planetary ones. This is what's called AN INCONSISTENCY. Meaning that we cannot accept it or consider it.
Again though, "if someone who didn't use godly ki, say like Goten or Trunks, got the point one day where they were stronger than Super Buu in their base forms, then they would be stronger than current Whiss and Beerus as SSJ1's."
^ This remains true. Meaning that Beerus is only AT BEST 100 times stronger than SSJ3 DBZ Goku. So anyone who is MORE than 100 times stronger than SSJ3 DBZ Goku is ALSO stronger than Beerus. What don't you understand about this?
I will note that GT does have one universal feat, Omega Shenron's energy was said to threaten the universe.
^ It was also stated that Omega's energy would destroy the Kaioshin Realm as well--which means that it, too, had the potential to transcend the mortal sphere/universe:
ie. if left unchecked, Omega was potentially a trans-universal power as well.
*I'm not trying to compare Omega to SSJG/Beerus, or whatever. I'm just corroborating Q99's statement. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't necessarily mind Goku/Vegeta becoming more powerful than Beerus. I just don't want the latter to dwindle into a minor character that random ocks end up tooling. Keep him relevent... He's the best character we've had since Android #16.ermmgrin
Goku becoming ,more powerful than beerus/whis , ultimately becoming the protector of the universe or something would just be another excuse for Goku to leave his wife and kids abandoned as usual.
Never change Goku 👆
Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Guys, guys, listen to me: there's no point in bringing Thought Robot in this thread, since it is a character on a complete different level of existence and power.
No matter how strong SSG Goku and Beerus punch or kick, there are literally countless tiers of difference in power between them and Thought Robot Superman, as there are more or less countless tiers of difference between every other version of Superman and Thought Robot itself.TR was a "one-time show", a literal Deus ex Machina on a metatextual level, so it's better to just stop and move on.
It's mostly featless, other than being able to defeat Mandrakk.
And it being a plot device doesn't immediately mean that it's un-defeatable. One punch man's strength is a plot device, and Goku would kill him with a fart. Different series, bro.
Originally posted by carver9
It will probably go there since Goku is currently matching Bills at 100% and Goku during the show will continue to become stronger.
Who knows? Maybe Beerus will continue to grow stronger now as well... Although he'll likely just become a new Krillin. 🙁
Originally posted by Galan007
^ It was also stated that Omega's energy would destroy the Kaioshin Realm as well--which means that it, too, had the potential to transcend the mortal sphere/universe:ie. if left unchecked, Omega was potentially a trans-universal power as well.
*I'm not trying to compare Omega to SSJG/Beerus, or whatever. I'm just corroborating Q99's statement. 🙂
Well it was also stated that Kid Buu could destroy the Kaioshin realm as well. That's not a universe feat, that's a feat of being stronger than anyone in the series.
Goku and Beerus were going to DESTROY the universe, with three measly punches.
Originally posted by Galan007
Which would be a tremendous shame, given that Beerus/Whis are some of the best(and most original) characters we've ever had in DB.
No kidding. I will honestly be really upset if Beerus and Whiss become chump change. Although I KNOW that it HAS to happen, because Goku will be getting ridiculously stronger throughout Dragon Ball Super.
If we see a difference even RESEMBLING how big of a difference there was between beginning and end of series Goku from Dragon Ball, and Dragon Ball Z, then Beerus and Whiss will literally be considered the new Roshi and Krillin of the series. And that thought is kinda depressing, given how awesome and unique the two are as characters. 🙁
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't necessarily mind Goku/Vegeta becoming more powerful than Beerus. I just don't want the latter to dwindle into a minor character that random ocks end up tooling. Keep him relevent... He's the best character we've had since Android #16.ermmgrin
We're definitely going to see Beerus and Whiss become weaklings in comparison to Goku and Vegeta, but to what degree still remains unclear.
Hell, who knows, they could both start training to stay ahead of Goku and Vegeta.
If they don't though, I still can't see any characters being able to even touch Beerus or Whiss at their current level, unless they're also gods, or multi-dimensional demons like Janemba or something. Which, imo, would be PRETTY awesome for them to re-introduce the idea of, into Dragon Ball Super.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
It's mostly featless, other than being able to defeat Mandrakk.And it being a plot device doesn't immediately mean that it's un-defeatable. One punch man's strength is a plot device, and Goku would kill him with a fart. Different series, bro.
Again, no.
Also, you did really put One Punch Man and Thought Robot in the same sentence... wow. 😂
Besides such an obvious trollfest, I'm well aware of Saitama and his plot-strength, indeed I'm asking you now how can you be so confident and sure that Goku would kill him with a fart, when basically Saitama never went serious in any of his fights and his potential is yet to be even discovered.
Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Again, no.
Also, you did really put One Punch Man and Thought Robot in the same sentence... wow. 😂
Besides such an obvious trollfest, I'm well aware of Saitama and his plot-strength, indeed I'm asking you now how can you be so confident and sure that Goku would kill him with a fart, when basically Saitama never went serious in any of his fights and his potential is yet to be even discovered.
Again, yes. Nice argument. 👆
And... no, I didn't put them in the same sentence? You just did though, idiot. 👆
I'm as confident that Goku would beat Saitama with a fart as I am that the Thought Robot would. Simply because of the fact that Saitama using his serious series is planet buster level.
Universe level is on a completely different scale. You not realizing that proves why this debate is pointless, on my behalf. 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Again, yes. Nice argument. 👆And... no, I didn't put them in the same sentence? You just did though, idiot. 👆
I'm as confident that Goku would beat Saitama with a fart as I am that the Thought Robot would. Simply because of the fact that Saitama using his serious series is planet buster level.
Universe level is on a completely different scale. You not realizing that proves why this debate is pointless, on my behalf. 👆
So you report others for insulting you, yet you do it to others, what is that called btw chimp?
I figure that the universe was initially in danger because Goku's and Beerus' ki were clashing head on, each trying to out power the other, as symbolized by the twin dragons.
The later stages of the fight devolved to an unceremonious physical bout, "just a brawl", so we didn't have those universal energy waves spewing about.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Again, yes. Nice argument. 👆And... no, I didn't put them in the same sentence? You just did though, idiot. 👆
I don't have any argument to be made here, since it's obvious that SSG Goku and Thought Robot exist on completely different planes of existence and power. Just in case, the burden is on you to prove that they are even comparable (which they aren't, obvious thing for people who read FC and actually know what they are talking about).
Yes you did:
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
And it being a plot device doesn't immediately mean that it's un-defeatable. One punch man's strength is a plot device, and Goku would kill him with a fart. Different series, bro.
^This statement alone proves you literally have no clue what you are saying here.
Also, you are direct to personal insults eh? Am I really the one who is the idiot here? 😂
Other than me, there are few users here who actually know about DB yet who have also read Final Crisis: maybe you aren't capable to grasp this, but they are completely ignoring your utter bullshit.
However, opposite to them, I actually chose to talk with you about this, and you, instead of feeling honored I'm really wasting my time trying to make a retard like you understand, blatantly come straight to personal insults?
Oh boy, you are such a comedian. 😆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Simply because of the fact that Saitama using his serious series is planet buster level.
Thing which you can't be so sure about since One Punch Man is still on going and has probably still plenty to show about Saitama's level of power.
You can't assume a definitve position if you don't know what's yet to come, unless you are One Punch Man editor, of course. 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Universe level is on a completely different scale. You not realizing that proves why this debate is pointless, on my behalf. 👆
Am I the one not realizing the scales of power?
This "debate" (lol, debate) is pointless on your behalf? 😂
The irony is strong with this one. Please go on sir, you are making my and rest of forum users' day.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I figure that the universe was initially in danger because Goku's and Beerus' ki were clashing head on, each trying to out power the other, as symbolized by the twin dragons.The later stages of the fight devolved to an unceremonious physical bout, "just a brawl", so we didn't have those universal energy waves spewing about.
They clashed a couple of times without ki energy being around them.
Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
I don't have any argument to be made here, since it's obvious that SSG Goku and Thought Robot exist on completely different planes of existence and power. Just in case, the burden is on you to prove that they are even comparable (which they aren't, obvious thing for people who read FC and actually know what they are talking about).Yes you did:
^This statement alone proves you literally have no clue what you are saying here.
Also, you are direct to personal insults eh? Am I really the one who is the idiot here? 😂
Other than me, there are few users here who actually know about DB yet who have also read Final Crisis: maybe you aren't capable to grasp this, but they are completely ignoring your utter bullshit.
However, opposite to them, I actually chose to talk with you about this, and you, instead of feeling honored I'm really wasting my time trying to make a retard like you understand, blatantly come straight to personal insults?
Oh boy, you are such a comedian. 😆Thing which you can't be so sure about since One Punch Man is still on going and has probably still plenty to show about Saitama's level of power.
You can't assume a definitve position if you don't know what's yet to come, unless you are One Punch Man editor, of course. 👆Am I the one not realizing the scales of power?
This "debate" (lol, debate) is pointless on your behalf? 😂The irony is strong with this one. Please go on sir, you are making my and rest of forum users' day.
I love how Gogeta thinks everyone is agreeing with him but at the same time he is disagreeing with everyone else.
What kind of baffonery is that?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I love how Gogeta thinks everyone is agreeing with him but at the same time he is disagreeing with everyone else.What kind of baffonery is that?
I surely don't mind well pondered, different opinions, this is a forum made to discuss after all.
What I can't stand is stubborn people who don't even know what they are talking about and yet, despite knowing nothing on that specific argument, continuously ride their high horses, speaking BS and not accepting to be completely wrong (also even resorting to name calling, as in this specific case).
A bit disappointing if you ask me. 👆
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Buy Gogeta flowers and ask him out for a dinner. You can't stop thinking about him.
😆
This had me rolling, especially because of how blatantly true it is.
Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
I surely don't mind well pondered, different opinions, this is a forum made to discuss after all.
What I can't stand is stubborn people who don't even know what they are talking about and yet, despite knowing nothing on that specific argument, continuously ride their high horses, speaking BS and not accepting to be completely wrong (also even resorting to name calling, as in this specific case).
A bit disappointing if you ask me. 👆
Your entire argument can be boiled down to a simple sentence. "Superman wins because he's superman.", with no feats, scans, or even simple arguments to back that ludicrous statement up.
If anything's disappointing here, it's the lack of chromosomes present in the majority of posters on this thread. 👆