Originally posted by Digi
Guys. Calm the heck down. Here:
http://imgur.com/gallery/x5wsELook, I don't like that he talked with her, because it's easy to see the political sh*tstorm it has or will cause. But we lose our sense of perspective with these things too easily. The imgur link there encapsulates many of my thoughts quite well to this effect.
That's fine for Jesus, but here in the real world the actions of celebrities have consequences, and those should be considered.
Originally posted by Digi
To be clear, I think Kim Davis is absolutely in the wrong with what she did. But a religious figure meeting with her really shouldn't mean anything other than that he's the type of guy who's going to meet with people with all kinds of political leanings (political leanings that he probably ignores, for the most part) for a variety of reasons; and most of those reasons are probably quite humane and loving.
When that religious figure goes on record telling people to reject discrimination and then goes and has a sit down with a woman practicing discrimination..that means more then "dude has to meet with all kinds of political people".
He also sure as hell wasn't ignoring Kim Davis, he was out giving the b*tch friggin gifts even. Basically doing a lot to make sure this woman will never ever back down. That isn't something we can just brush under the rug with excuses that essentially come down to "well he's the pope, gotta play to both sides". You see when politicians pull this shit we call them out on it, so the Pope shouldn't get a pass. Especially given how much power the church has? No way.
Should he be sending children the message of acceptance or of "Gotta play both sides kiddies" ?
Originally posted by Surtur
When that religious figure goes on record telling people to reject discrimination and then goes and has a sit down with a woman practicing discrimination..that means more then "dude has to meet with all kinds of political people".He also sure as hell wasn't ignoring Kim Davis, he was out giving the b*tch friggin gifts even. Basically doing a lot to make sure this woman will never ever back down. That isn't something we can just brush under the rug with excuses that essentially come down to "well he's the pope, gotta play to both sides". You see when politicians pull this shit we call them out on it, so the Pope shouldn't get a pass. Especially given how much power the church has? No way.
Should he be sending children the message of acceptance or of "Gotta play both sides kiddies" ?
Questions:
1. How does the Catholic Church have any power, if, in your opinion, it is supposedly based on beings (Satan and God) who are completely "fictional"? Are you telling me, in effect, that the behavior of millions of people can be swayed or directed by or through untrue propaganda?
2. Are you saying that "acceptance" really translates into going with only ONE side and view exclusively? Or that if you're going with the right thing to do you can NOT actually support "the other side" in some cases, especially the current one, because that would actually be the WRONG thing for a moral person to do?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
1. How does the Catholic Church have any power, if, in your opinion, it is supposedly based on beings (Satan and God) who are completely "fictional"? Are you telling me, in effect, that the behavior of millions of people can be swayed or directed by or through untrue propaganda?
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Yes....obviously....
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Questions:1. How does the Catholic Church have any power, if, in your opinion, it is supposedly based on beings (Satan and God) who are completely "fictional"? Are you telling me, in effect, that the behavior of millions of people can be swayed or directed by or through untrue propaganda?
2. Are you saying that "acceptance" really translates into going with only ONE side and view exclusively? Or that if you're going with the right thing to do you can NOT actually support "the other side" in some cases, especially the current one, because that would actually be the WRONG thing for a moral person to do?
I'm so flabbergasted by the stupidity of your first question it's kind of hard to answer your second one. Perhaps you aren't exactly sure what propaganda means or the purpose of it. Or perhaps you aren't aware that while I personally believe these beings are fake..a majority of people do not. You also must be aware people have in the past gained massive amounts of power via untrue propaganda? You certainly can't deny the power the church has.
But I will try and answer the 2nd question now: he preached rejecting discrimination. He then sits down and gives gifts to a person who right now epitomizes discrimination in this country.
He basically has now fueled the fires of discrimination for Kim Davis and the people who support her. He is in fact most likely indirectly contributing to more discrimination now by doing this.
But like I said we call out politicians all the time for being two faced. I don't see why the Pope should be given a pass..he wields far too much power for that.
Apparently the "meeting and talk" didnt really happen and Davis is full of doodoo:
Originally posted by Robtard
Apparently the "meeting and talk" didnt really happen and Davis is full of doodoo:
Originally posted by MindsetChuckled I did.
Maybe they just made out, or something.You guys are overreacting.
Originally posted by RobtardSatan awaits her.
Apparently the "meeting and talk" didnt really happen and Davis is full of doodoo:
Originally posted by Robtard
Apparently the "meeting and talk" didnt really happen and Davis is full of doodoo:
Being an agnostic theist who genuinely supports Pope Francis' humanitarianism, this news makes me incredibly happy.
Here's the thing: the Pope "met" Davis, but he didn't say anything of note to her and he didn't express support or give her a gift. The Vatican isn't denying the meeting took place, they're denying that it had any real significance. More significant was the Pope's meeting with a gay former student and that student's partner.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Here's the thing: the Pope "met" Davis, but he didn't say anything of note to her and he didn't express support or give her a gift. The Vatican isn't denying the meeting took place, they're denying that it had any real significance. More significant was the Pope's meeting with a gay former student and that student's partner.
As far as the gift thing goes though, I thought he was handing out rosaries to the people there.
Originally posted by Lestov16
He didn't give her his support. He was like "Sup. God Bless. Next person please." It was no way of supporting her cause.
Nope, he definitely gave her his support. I'm not talking about at whatever public forum Davis was at, but if you'd been listening to the speeches he made last week..he 100% gave her his support he just didn't mention her by name.
He talked about how people have a "human right" to be doing what she did.