Loki vs the Jedi Order

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not against including TV shows here, but it seems quite unfair to use cartoon shows as cartoons will almost always have exaggerated feats. If the Clone Wars TV show truly is included in any MvF fight discussing Star Wars then I'm bowing out of this discussion... and probably any other Star Wars thread.

Well, that's the amended rules. Not everyone likes or agrees with it, but Imp had to set a standard with all characters who feature both in films and television. Because I tend to agree that, based on movie showings only, Loki has a lot better chances of coming out victorious. But the Clone Wars has several seasons up to this point, which adds a ton more material from which to draw from, and which tips the results firmly in the favour of the force users.

"exaggerated feats" just being a fancy pseudo-synonym for "any feats I don't like and make *insert character/verse here* more powerful than I want it to be!"

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"exaggerated feats" just being a fancy pseudo-synonym for "any feats I don't like and make *insert character/verse here* more powerful than I want it to be!"

Not really. If we were to include Avengers cartoon shows like EMH then all of a sudden all Avengers characters get a huge boost in stats and feats. Cartoons are just easier to exaggerate feats with.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, that's the amended rules. Not everyone likes or agrees with it, but Imp had to set a standard with all characters who feature both in films and television. Because I tend to agree that, based on movie showings only, Loki has a lot better chances of coming out victorious. But the Clone Wars has several seasons up to this point, which adds a ton more material from which to draw from, and which tips the results firmly in the favour of the force users.

Yeah agreed. I guess that settles it then, I'm resting my case.

Pretty sure EMH is a separate continuity to the MCU

Compared to TCW which is part of the Disneyverse Star Wars continuity

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Pretty sure EMH is a separate continuity to the MCU

Compared to TCW which is part of the Disneyverse Star Wars continuity

Yes that's true, but that wasn't my point. I'm just trying to point out that cartoons will almost always have exaggerated feats and higher power scales than live action movies/shows.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes that's true, but that wasn't my point. I'm just trying to point out that cartoons will almost always have exaggerated feats and higher power scales than live action movies/shows.

Well then, if said TV series just has greater feats than the movies, then that's just the way it is

the jedi have a phenomenal chance here, loki may take anakin but any tag teams then he is doomed

Assuming the lightsabers can even hurt him.

why would you assume that they can't? Loki says himself that Thor would probably die if he was dropped from the airship in Avengers, thats way less durability than his comic book counterpart and a lot less than being cut up by molten hot plasma

Originally posted by relentless1
why would you assume that they can't? Loki says himself that Thor would probably die if he was dropped from the airship in Avengers, thats way less durability than his comic book counterpart and a lot less than being cut up by molten hot plasma

Why do you keep misrepresenting that quote? Loki never said he thought Thor would die. He seemed unsure and so did Thor. And even if he did, that's no guarantee that it would actually kill Thor. After all, Thor only escaped the pod a split second before it crashed, meaning Thor only lessened the impact by a bit. And even after Thor crashed, he didn't have a single injury. Not even a tank could have survived a fall like hat unscathed, so what makes you think the lightsaber will easily cut Thor?

Have the lightsabers cut anything as tough as Thor? And before you say blast door, remember that Thor and Loki both survived the bifrost explosion. Do you think the blast door could have survived an explosion like that unscathed?

im not speculating on whether he'd survive or not necessarily, all I'm saying is why would loki bring that up in a familiar manner with thor if it didn't have some truth behind it? Even thor looked worried so that rules out loki lying about it. All I'm saying is that the asgardian durability is clearly suspect if both thor and loki are hesitant to see what would happen if they dropped from 30,000 feet

Originally posted by relentless1
im not speculating on whether he'd survive or not necessarily, all I'm saying is why would loki bring that up in a familiar manner with thor if it didn't have some truth behind it? Even thor looked worried so that rules out loki lying about it. All I'm saying is that the asgardian durability is clearly suspect if both thor and loki are hesitant to see what would happen if they dropped from 30,000 feet

Well guess what, Thor WAS dropped at 30,000. And he survived without injury.

Originally posted by relentless1
why would you assume that they can't? Loki says himself that Thor would probably die if he was dropped from the airship in Avengers, thats way less durability than his comic book counterpart and a lot less than being cut up by molten hot plasma

Only Thor didn't die from the fall, he wasn't even injured. As for Loki, he has withstood the Bi-frost explosion, Iron-man's repulsors and the Destroyer gun. the guy actually has very good feats vs energy weapons.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Only Thor didn't die from the fall, he wasn't even injured. As for Loki, he has withstood the Bi-frost explosion, Iron-man's repulsors and the Destroyer gun. the guy actually has very good feats vs energy weapons.

Also survived being dropped into the vacuum of space and a bullet to the face.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Not really. If we were to include Avengers cartoon shows like EMH then all of a sudden all Avengers characters get a huge boost in stats and feats. Cartoons are just easier to exaggerate feats with.

Which feats from those cartoons give Loki a boost?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well guess what, Thor WAS dropped at 30,000. And he survived without injury.

This is disingenuous.

He got out before he was crushed in the cage.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This is disingenuous.

He got out before he was crushed in the cage.

He got out but didn't have enough time to generate any upward lift to counter his fall, which means he crashed at more or less the same velocity as he would have had he been stuck in the cage.

So yeah, Thor was dropped at 30,000 ft and survived. Prove to me that a lightsaber can cut through something that's tough enough to survive a 30,000 ft fall without injury.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And yet he was unable to generate any upward lift to counter his fall, which means he crashed at more or less the same velocity as he would have had he been stuck in the cage.

He was under the power of his hammer as well as changed his velocity with it, you are being disingenuous.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He was under the power of his hammer as well as changed his velocity with it, you are being disingenuous.

Do you understand physics? To negate any force you need to generate a force opposite to it. In this case, he'd need to generate an upwards force to counter the pull of gravity. If you watch his exit closely you'll notice that when he broke the cage his trajectory was diagonally pointed to the side and down. So he changed his trajectory but did nothing to counter the pull of gravity.