Loki vs the Jedi Order

{Assuming movie forum still allows TCW/SWR feats}

Maul and Savage are each capable of some major TK on the fly and Sheev pins them casually and continues to hold them despite their attempts to break free.

Now I'm not disputing the possibility that Loki can pull a win out of this, but he's not overpowering Palps' TK. 👆

Even Gods submit to Palpatine.

Spoiler:
Except Nihlus.

Originally posted by FrothByte
True. Which is why I brought up the fact that

a. The Jedi's seem unable to keep anyone in the air for any length of time. In fact, no Jedi other than Dooku has managed it at all that I recall.

b. Loki can still throw daggers

and c. It will still boil down to whether the lightsabers can cut Loki.

I never said Loki will win the fights, just that it won't be the force that will decide the fight. People talk about the force like this uber powerful TK skill that is incongruent with how it was portrayed in the films.

On a side not: Just want to make it clear that I'm only discussing Star Wars movies here. I haven't watched the TV shows.

not quite, if loki can perseve where the jedi are without facing them and being held in mid air then maybe he can dagger throw

what i was mainly focusing before is the jedi possibly using the spear to IMPALE loki whilst IN THE AIR or use a force push with it from a range whilst loki cannot turn around or dodge the attack

he caught the exploding arrow easily enough but if he inst facing the spear i think it would kill hm

Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
not quite, if loki can perseve where the jedi are without facing them and being held in mid air then maybe he can dagger throw

what i was mainly focusing before is the jedi possibly using the spear to IMPALE loki whilst IN THE AIR or use a force push with it from a range whilst loki cannot turn around or dodge the attack

he caught the exploding arrow easily enough but if he inst facing the spear i think it would kill hm

The scenario you are suggesting would work, but it's a very specific scenario that we never seen any jedi perform. Raising someone up in the air, rotating them so they are not facing the jedi, then while still keeping Loki in the air launch a strong enough assault to incapacitate Loki.

or yet simply raising him up and impaling him. something we have seen close to

or better yet pick him up via the force and throw him around

pick him up, rag doll him and force zip over to him and slice his head off, or better yet just pull a Vader and choke him out.

Originally posted by relentless1
pick him up, rag doll him and force zip over to him and slice his head off, or better yet just pull a Vader and choke him out.

Choke out someone who's neck can't get snapped by Hulk ragdolling him and is bulletproof?

Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
or yet simply raising him up and impaling him. something we have seen close to

or better yet pick him up via the force and throw him around

Impale him how? Again, we go back to whether or not the jedi have enough strength to impale him. And what good will throwing Loki around do? That won't even hurt him.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Choke out someone who's neck can't get snapped by Hulk ragdolling him and is bulletproof?

implae with a few seconds of lightsaber action or with the staff itself. the jedi would use the staff if their lightsabers were ineffective

we have seen diffrent weapons taken and used by the jedi before hand, especially in close wars

Saber ftw

Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
why cant it be snapped by hulk?

implae with a few seconds of lightsaber action or with the staff itself. the jedi would use the staff if their lightsabers were ineffective

we have seen diffrent weapons taken and used by the jedi before hand, especially in close wars

I'm saying to be able to choke someone as durable as Loki, you'd need a very powerful grip, physical or force-wise.

Sure they can try to stab him with other weapons, but again the question I'm asking is whether they have enough strength to get through Loki's hide.

We know lightsabers need more time to cut through extra durable materials. I don't think they have time to just stand there in front of Loki and wait for the lightsaber to do its work.

Saber slice. Lol

Saber took no time to cut through anything, are you nuts?

Originally posted by FrothByte
On a side not: Just want to make it clear that I'm only discussing Star Wars movies here. I haven't watched the TV shows.

This is what it boils down to though. All the characters in this thread get a bunch more feats during the Clone Wars TV series, especially force-related feats (like Sidious force choking people he can't even see, and Yoda immobilizing Ventress, for example). Sidious himself displays the ability to create force illusions at one stage, IIRC. And, as per the current forum rules, the Clone Wars is a canon source for feats. So you're debating while only having a fraction of the source material for one side.

adding the clone wars puts this as almost a landslide victory for any jedi or sith against an asgardian

Originally posted by relentless1
adding the clone wars puts this as almost a landslide victory for any jedi or sith against an asgardian

Except Thor.

its not always a matter of strength

one of the more regular posters here quoted a passage along the lines of
"in the laws of universesal physics any anthropamorphic being can be cut/stabbed/hurt by a well crafted and well sharpened blade"

this is not the full quote and i would have to find it but the quoter may see this and correct me

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Except Thor.

maybe maybe not, tthor was stabbed on stark tower when loki was trying to get away. i think the blade was coated/imbuned with magic thou and it wasnt a killing shot. a body shot so loki could run to which he did

Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
its not always a matter of strength

one of the more regular posters here quoted a passage along the lines of
"in the laws of universesal physics any anthropamorphic being can be cut/stabbed/hurt by a well crafted and well sharpened blade"

this is not the full quote and i would have to find it but the quoter may see this and correct me

Unfortunately, there are currently no anthropamorphic beings in the world as durable as asgardians. We have created weapons that can kill any other living being in this planet, thus why we are at the top of the food chain. That doesn't mean that sharpness alone is enough to cut through everything.

That quote is somewhat misleading. It doesn't take into account the amount of force behind the cut/stab.

An arrow shot from a weak bow will bounce off leather armor. But that exact same arrow when shot from a high-poundage bow will go right through it. There is a limit to how sharp you can make a weapon. And the amount of force will always be a factor in what it can penetrate and how much it penetrates.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This is what it boils down to though. All the characters in this thread get a bunch more feats during the Clone Wars TV series, especially force-related feats (like Sidious force choking people he can't even see, and Yoda immobilizing Ventress, for example). Sidious himself displays the ability to create force illusions at one stage, IIRC. And, as per the current forum rules, the Clone Wars is a canon source for feats. So you're debating while only having a fraction of the source material for one side.

I'm not against including TV shows here, but it seems quite unfair to use cartoon shows as cartoons will almost always have exaggerated feats. If the Clone Wars TV show truly is included in any MvF fight discussing Star Wars then I'm bowing out of this discussion... and probably any other Star Wars thread.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not against including TV shows here, but it seems quite unfair to use cartoon shows as cartoons will almost always have exaggerated feats. If the Clone Wars TV show truly is included in any MvF fight discussing Star Wars then I'm bowing out of this discussion... and probably any other Star Wars thread.

So you are going against what Imp said and the forum vs rules?