Originally posted by 80sBaby
Hmm, that's not quite accurate. Remember when Laurie convinced him to help, it was due to his revelation at what a miracle it was for all of humanity to exist despite probability. He didn't lose his humanity. If anything, he became even more fascinated by it, which s why he said he was going off to create life.
No, it's completely accurate. What he regained throughout the comic wasn't his humanity but an appreciation for life.
Yeah.
By the end all he wanted to do is leave earth for a planet "less complicated" in another galaxy, and create new life on his own terms.
Having him return to earth shortly after leaving, and live life as a human being while neutering his powers doesn't make sense to me either... Even if this is just one(of several) Manhattans running around.
Yep. Yep. I was bitching about having him return to Mars, but now he has not only returned to Earth but is in a relationship again?! The hell?
Originally posted by 80sBaby
That's splitting hairs, imo. But I guess we'll see what happens next episode.
How is it "splitting hairs"? It's two different things entirely.
Originally posted by Dr Will HatchI'm talking about Manhattan's ability to make duplicates of himself, as seen in the original source material, and also referenced by Will in episode 2.
Which makes no sense since Osterman is supposed to have a very specific mindset as a physicist and watchmaker that made him uniquely able to reconstruct himself from nothing.
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm talking about Manhattan's ability to make duplicates of himself, as seen in the original source material, and also referenced by Will in episode 2.
Yeah, you're right, I'm sorry.
After thinking about it more, that thought crossed my mind as well. I just hope that idea that the 7K can kill Manhattan turns out to be nothing and he just explodes them all or displaces them somewhere.
The episode was pretty good. I like the concept of how they were giving more insight into how Jon views the world. The acting was great, too.
I do think they didn't explain why he came back or allowed himself to get zapped well enough, though. It would have been better if they had the 7K block his future-sight or something. They relied too heavily on the "chicken/egg" paradox, imo. I get that's how DM sees things but I also think it doesn't make much sense that there was nothing he could do. He simply didn't even try. If I were Angela, I'd be pissed that he seemed to just give up.
It goes back to these lines from the source material:
"Everything is preordained. Even my responses."
"We're all puppets... I'm just a puppet who can see the strings."
In short, the idea here is that Jon can't change future events because, from his vantage point, they've already happened a particular way -- he is, essentially, confined to a fixed series of unalterable events. That is the 'curse' of perceiving time simultaneously, as Jon does... He is just a quantum observer.
But they did an absolutely terrible job explaining the above... They didn't explain WHY this nigh-omnipotent being didn't simply unmake everyone parked outside the house with a snap, instead of just standing there like a dipshit.
I also hated how Jon now got the idea to create life from some random British couple who showed him the Bible... and also didn't like that he apparently never disassociated from humanity, like the source material depicted, and actually went right back into a human life/relationship without skipping a beat. These changes to continuity were gratuitous and unneeded, imo.
....and I'm thinking this either ends with Angela
Spoiler:
gaining Manhattan's powers herself OR being the one who destroys Manhattan to prevent the 7th calvary from gaining his powers.
Absolutely sloppy writing. Sure, Dr. Manhattan may perceive and experience events in a non-linear order and therefore be unable to change them but in such a case events should play out in his favor. The only way someone should be able to hit him with the laser is if he wants to be hit by it as its all according to his keikaku (or because someone is messing with his foresight). But that doesn't seem to be the case here.
Furthermore, my issues with Manhattan returning to earth and having a relationship with NS still stand. And the reason he fell in love with her is pathetic. The idea of it being due to a casual loop is fun, but the rest... meh.
Also, Manhattan looked terrible. It was just a dude painted blue. He even still had pupils. They really should have used CGI like Snyder's film, now that was a God.
Originally posted by Galan007
It goes back to these lines from the source material:"Everything is preordained. Even my responses."
"We're all puppets... I'm just a puppet who can see the strings."In short, the idea here is that Jon can't change future events because, from his vantage point, they've already happened a particular way -- he is, essentially, confined to a fixed series of unalterable events. That is the 'curse' of perceiving time simultaneously, as Jon does... He is just a quantum observer.
But they did an absolutely terrible job explaining the above... They didn't explain WHY this nigh-omnipotent being didn't simply unmake everyone parked outside the house with a snap, instead of just standing there like a dipshit.
I also hated how Jon now got the idea to create life from some random British couple who showed him the Bible... and also didn't like that he apparently never disassociated from humanity, like the source material depicted, and actually went right back into a human life/relationship without skipping a beat. These changes to continuity were gratuitous and unneeded, imo.
....and I'm thinking this either ends with Angela
Spoiler:
gaining Manhattan's powers herself OR being the one who destroys Manhattan to prevent the 7th calvary from gaining his powers.
I'm thinking gain, cos it was hinted at heavily in the bar scene, with the egg.
We also see racist senator guy getting into an intrinsic field generator in the preview, which just seems like a stupid idea, cos if what happened to Osterman wasn't a one-in-one-trillion fluke chance and all it takes is a IF generator room, the government would have been churning out Manhattans themselves.
Honestly, not liking this John arch at all so far.
He's been so badly mishandled. I've already mentioned how they've thrown out his entire arc and made him act like a total retard because of "muh determinism" but there are so many other issues as well such as power levels. Manhattan single handily ended an entire war and Ozy poses no more threat to him than a termite, but a group of racist trailer hicks can somehow defeat him. It's just downright embarrassing.
The weird thing is I still see people praising this shit. Are people so captivated by a non-linear story that they can't see the blatant flaws?