Originally posted by panthergod
" Herald level"? He stomps Surfer level characters with ease, "Herald" , lol as if he's weak enough to be compared to those feebs.
Surfer level? Pshhh. The Surfer would become intangible and put a black hole in his black hole. Then he would literally jump up his own ass and die.
Originally posted by Stoic
Let's first see the comic that shows Doomsday tearing up beings of the Surfer's caliber. Read the footnote that h1 came up with, and bask in his radiant glow.
Next?
Now give the comic in your next reply or you concede to being a delusional pathological liar who doesn't have an opinion of any relevance and utterly concedes to bring wrong in every single solitary respect as it relates to this thread.
Originally posted by Stoic
Not my point. The claim was that none of the guys in marvel were capable of taking the Probes out. This can be contested by all of the feats that they have accomplished. The Hulk not being able to tear those Probes apart is actually ludicrous if you were to look at some of the crazy stuff that he has torn apart in the past. Shit he even punched his way into a mystically sealed dimension. The sweet spot of those Probes may matter to some characters, but not all characters to be sure.
I know it wasn't your point, that's why it was directed at carver, you posted right after me so I had to add the extra ^. But anyway, I'm sure taking Hulk to extreme levels could do it under the right circumstances. Superman couldn't even dent one and that's with Mongul training him, and the Probe was still beating them.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Even though I think you're wrong in this case, at least your not as bad as Abhi.
😛They were already moving at speeds fast enough for space travel. When Runner beat Surfer into submission, he simply hopped off a board that was moving incredibly fast. The board's momentum took Surfer through space and eventually into a celestial body. Pretty clear if I say so myself. Abhi's butchery of scenes is legendary especially with characters that are a threat to his boy blue so you shouldn't pay him much mind. He even went further with his attempted lowball by claiming that he almost died falling into a planet when in actuality it was the Runner's power that really phukked him up.
Do you even know what's being argued?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You are clearly trolling then...You see Runner holding Surfer by both wrists then you see Ruuners body twist in the direction of the planet and Surfer zooming away until he slams into it...
And you call that a "fall!?" I guess Surfer "fell" really really fast...lol.
Either you are trolling or you need to work on your visual comprehension...
facepalm
I can't talk to some guy who can't even look at a picture.
Originally posted by h1a8
How powerful was the tank? Was it human made? Which issue did this occur?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
And on too of that IIRC the nuke was Apokaliptian tech
Here's the scene.
That tank was Brainiac B13 tech....now, I'm not sure what abilities Black Lightning has - does he amplify energy? Or does he simply redirect it?
Because the provenance of the tank shouldn't be an issue. They mass produced them, and they didn't show any amazing capabilities (and in fact, were useless against the probes on their own, even when massed together). So, let's say it was a large nuke in power.
They exploded the tank, and BL shot it at the probe. So now all that remains is to see if he amps it or not.
Originally posted by h1a8
Do you believe that mankind can create and measure temperatures that are thousands of times hotter than the sun?
If you don't then I'll post some links for you.
If you do then you can't deny the scan I posted. It specifically says that Superman's hv is off the charts by any standard scientific measures. That means it is hotter than what they can measure. And like I said, I can prove that man can not only measure but create temperatures on earth thousands of times hotter than the sun.
Okay but what feats show his HV is as hot as you claim? Note that someone saying his HV is off the charts isn't really an actual feat for Superman. It's not a thing he did it is a thing someone else said about him.
Surely you can cite things Superman has actually done to support the statement you are using?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I'm doing OK. To be honest not really with a lot of energy. Which is hard seeing all the atrocities Carver writes and not having the energy to call him out.Sorry about your sig as you can Imagine , on the current state of affairs not really up to work on them 🙁
I love my sig why are you sorry, Carver tried to copy mine and failed like Hulk failed at beating Zeus.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I guess powerful enough to destroy a probe.
Looked like a U.S. tank.
Action Comics 781.It was? Possibly.. I don't remember though.
Here's the scene.
I don't remember why did I thought there was apok tech involved. Maybe because of the alliance.
But yes apparently it was B13 tech.
That probe in particular faced Black lighting, supergirl, several armored divisions and the black hawk air corps
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Hmmmm....16-13 Runner...
The people have spoken; Runner wins...
They've lied out of pure spite, anyway.
Superman wins to those of us who aren't deliberately lying about what the comics show.
Runner has nothing is his existence on par with Superman post OWAW-Flashpoint.
Originally posted by panthergod
They've lied out of pure spite, anyway.Superman wins to those of us who aren't deliberately lying about what the comics show.
Runner has nothing is his existence on par with Superman post OWAW-Flashpoint.
I respectfully disagree....
Runner has yet to be overpowered by anyone or anything less than a full powered Galactus...
Thanos himself couldnt subdue Runner without the Time Gem...
I created this thread believing that this would be a good fight, and I continue to believe that, but based on the arguments presented, I do believe that Runner wins...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I respectfully disagree....Runner has yet to be overpowered by anyone or anything less than a full powered Galactus...
Thanos himself couldnt subdue Runner without the Time Gem...
I created this thread believing that this would be a good fight, and I continue to believe that, but based on the arguments presented, I do believe that Runner wins...
No limits fallacy.
Runner had the Space Gem when he chomped Thanos. He doesn't here.
Superman dominates multiple Thanos class and above characters. Beating Surfer doesn't really prove anything in comparison to a guy who dominates Mordru, Darkseid, etc.
Originally posted by panthergod
No limits fallacy.Runner had the Space Gem when he chomped Thanos. He doesn't here.
Superman dominates multiple Thanos class and above characters. Beating Surfer doesn't really prove anything in comparison to a guy who dominates Mordru, Darkseid, etc.
Runner never actually used to the Space Gem against Thanos; according to Thanos, Runner only used the gem to subconsciously teleport...
None of that occured during his battle against Thanos; Thanos was the one that needed an Infinity Gem to secure victory...
Runner was dominanting Thanos without using the Space Gem; just like he did to Surfer, just like he did to Collector...
Once again, nothing or no one less than a fully powered Galactus has ever overpowered Runner...