Originally posted by h1a8
why don't you see that ABC logic is faulty? Could he prevent her from lassoing him? Could he prevent her from comboing him?
In your scenario, I'm imagining you thinking that Morg is going to be sitting there waiting to be hog tied. Morg's flight speed is FTL, and he is a hell of a lot stronger than Diana a mid herald, while he is a low trans. he also has cosmic awareness like the rest of Galactus' creations. If not, how in the world does he find planets, lock onto their coordinates from a universe away and fly directly to them? It isn't ABC logic, you simply want to attempt to dismiss the idea that Morg was able to beat the hell out of the rest of those Herald's. They had to go to Galactus for help, or he was going to kill them all. Wonder Woman would never do this. She doesn't have that kind of power. Morg isn't some land locked character that Diana gets the benefit of flying rings around either. She loses hard.
Originally posted by Stoic
Well that's Morg at his best. Did you read what Zop said or did you put him on ignore? Morg also had a good fight with Thanos who would tear a hole in Terrax. This is after the Morg/Terrax scuffle.
But at least he's not immune to on panel evidence like H1 is. That dude is in his own world.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Where is morg superior to WW except in energy projection, that can be countered with bracers, and arguably a slight strength advantage (i doubt that a bit)?
Originally posted by Stoic
Well that's Morg at his best. Did you read what Zop said or did you put him on ignore? Morg also had a good fight with Thanos who would tear a hole in Terrax. This is after the Morg/Terrax scuffle.
This thread isn't about Morg at his best though. He did have Thanos on the ropes. I know of all Morg showings and Diana as well. Morg is tough but DCNU Diana has been crushing everyone that has came her way. I'm talking about high Heralds. Her fts are solid imo. Solid enough to pull the win here.
Originally posted by Stoicflight speed doesn't prove combat and reflex speed. GL can travel ftl yet WW would blitz them. Also ftl speed isn't instantaneous. It takes time to reach those speeds. Battle distance is .5km. WW has ftl reflexes and will see Morg as a statue.
In your scenario, I'm imagining you thinking that Morg is going to be sitting there waiting to be hog tied. Morg's flight speed is FTL, and he is a hell of a lot stronger than Diana a mid herald, while he is a low trans. he also has cosmic awareness like the rest of Galactus' creations. If not, how in the world does he find planets, lock onto their coordinates from a universe away and fly directly to them? It isn't ABC logic, you simply want to attempt to dismiss the idea that Morg was able to beat the hell out of the rest of those Herald's. They had to go to Galactus for help, or he was going to kill them all. Wonder Woman would never do this. She doesn't have that kind of power. Morg isn't some land locked character that Diana gets the benefit of flying rings around either. She loses hard.
You are speculating on that the cosmic awareness can sense attacks. But in comics Morg never shown that it could. Thus it can't. Otherwise you making up stuff. Even if it could then Morg is too slow to process and respond.
Originally posted by carver9
We already discussed this.
Mind going over it again? And the OP says Morg vs Wonder Woman. I'm thinkng about Morg t his best. If you read and understood what Zop wrote in this thread you would understand that there is no concrete evidence that Morg lost the WOL. This is due to huge plot holes being left in the the characters entire fictional existence. Morg was handled horribly, and this is due to too many pens doing a terrible job of piecing his history together. The same thing happened to Tyrant. So If this is Morg with just the WOL Diana wins, If this is Morg with just the PC Morg wins, if this is Morg with both the PC and WOL he destroys her.
Also could you go over the high heralds that she has "crushed"?
Originally posted by h1a8
flight speed doesn't prove combat and reflex speed. GL can travel ftl yet WW would blitz them. Also ftl speed isn't instantaneous. It takes time to reach those speeds. Battle distance is .5km. WW has ftl reflexes and will see Morg as a statue.You are speculating on that the cosmic awareness can sense attacks. But in comics Morg never shown that it could. Thus it can't. Otherwise you making up stuff. Even if it could then Morg is too slow to process and respond.
He's too slow to react, yet he is able to move through a densely packed asteroid field at FTL speeds and avoid running into a anything. I won't be responding to any more of your comments on the subject.
Originally posted by Stoicproof? Show him going through asteroid field at FTL speeds avoiding asteroids. Did you know that the average distance between asteroids was 600,000 miles. It takes light more than 3 seconds to go between them. A human can react to that.
He's too slow to react, yet he is able to move through a densely packed asteroid field at FTL speeds and avoid running into a anything. I won't be responding to any more of your comments on the subject.
Originally posted by zopzopI use on panel evidence mostly. You guys aren't. If WW is a lot faster than Morg then how in the hell does he prevent her from beating him up or lassoing him? You guys must be forgetting that this is a forum fight where characters don't forget their speed and FTL reflexes for the sake of the plot. You and others are arguing how this fight will happen in a comic. That's against forum rules.
He doesn't read comics, what makes you think he reads my posts.But at least he's not immune to on panel evidence like H1 is. That dude is in his own world.
Slight strength advantage? This guy has gone up against and beaten legit planet busters. His last fight with Surfer destroyed an entire planet and devastated the surrounding solar system.
Originally posted by h1a8
I use on panel evidence mostly. You guys aren't. If WW is a lot faster than Morg then how in the hell does he prevent her from beating him up or lassoing him? You guys must be forgetting that this is a forum fight where characters don't forget their speed and FTL reflexes for the sake of the plot. You and others are arguing how this fight will happen in a comic. That's against forum rules.
Wait, so in other threads, Surfer loses his ability to use TP. Because, apparently, in character, he does not TP offensively.
NOW, you quote forum rules, and say WW will use her abilities to their fullest? Fine, but surely Surfer gets to do that too?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Surfer isn't in the thread. How do we know that Surfer can use tp offensively when he has never even done it? And assuming that he can then to what extent can he use it? Can he shut someone's mind down, make people see illusions? And how do we know he would choose to do it or even think of doing it in mid battle? It isn't something that is common sense.
Wait, so in other threads, Surfer loses his ability to use TP. Because, apparently, in character, he does not TP offensively.NOW, you quote forum rules, and say WW will use her abilities to their fullest? Fine, but surely Surfer gets to do that too?
I'm not saying WW will do something that she never tried in a comic. She has used speed, she has used skill, she has lassoed, etc. But others are claiming that characters WILL choose to do something that they never done in a comic. So we are not really sure that they can do it and that they will think of it and that they will choose to do it. Everything I say is based off what happened in a comic.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85punching hard is a byproduct of mass, hardness, force, and contact speed. For example, an unstoppable object moving at a certain speed will hit much harder than a similar massive object with no force behind it but moving at the same speed at the point of contact (thrown). For example, juggs punching power stems mostly from his hardness and unstoppability.
How does one punch hard, but slow?
But yes, Morg does punch faster than a human. A lot faster.