JLA Vs JSA (Pre-Flashpoint) · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Zack M Senior Member

JLA Vs JSA (Pre-Flashpoint)

Which team is superior with these lineups?

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JLA.

riv6672 Senior Member

Close match.
Dr. Fate might swing it to the JSA though. He, CM and GL are all (magically) capable of taking out Superman.
After that, the line ups favor the JLA in terms of power versatility, BUT, Fate will then be the biggest gun in the fight.

So, JSA is my call.

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Spite because of this guy:

carver9 Senior Member

In the same story, a possessed Captain Marvel dropped Superman with a single hit.

beatboks ready for the loony bin

JLA wins and the thread also proves they are the inferior team.

11 JLAers vs 9 JSAers
A team of 8 mid herald plus characters vs a team of 4.

JLA can only win vs JSA by stacking the field.

Decter Senior Member

JLA has too much power added with a numbers advantage

Fate is a big problem but he can't carry his team

Prof. T.C McAbe Kryptonian Scientist

Re: JLA Vs JSA (Pre-Flashpoint)

Originally posted by Zack M

Which team is superior with these lineups?

JLA
MM - HH
FS - MH
WW - HH
Superman - LT (base)
Kyle - HH
Flash - MH
Atom - LH
Plasticman - LH
Black Canary - HS
Green Arrow - HS
Batman - Omniversal Abstract

JSA

Atom Smasher - LH
Hawkman - LH
Hourman - HM
Powergirl - MH
Captain Marvel - HH
Dr. Strange - LT (base)
Mr. Terrific - HS
Alan - LT (base)
Jay - LH

The streets won't make a difference. JLA has 7 Herald level beings and one translevel, JSA has 5 Herald level beings and 2 translevel. I think that JLA takes a slight majority or Batman solos.

carver9 Senior Member

SMDSAH

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Re: Re: JLA Vs JSA (Pre-Flashpoint)

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
JLA
MM - HH
FS - MH
WW - HH
Superman - LT (base)
Kyle - HH
Flash - MH
Atom - LH
Plasticman - LH
Black Canary - HS
Green Arrow - HS
Batman - Omniversal Abstract
JSA
Atom Smasher - LH
Hawkman - LH
Hourman - HM
Powergirl - MH
Captain Marvel - HH
Dr. Strange - LT (base)
Mr. Terrific - HS
Alan - LT (base)
Jay - LH
The streets won't make a difference. JLA has 7 Herald level beings and one translevel, JSA has 5 Herald level beings and 2 translevel. I think that JLA takes a slight majority or Batman solos.

Atom smasher is at best mid meta he's an 70 to 80 tonner who can grow, alter his density and mass.
Hawkman is a low meta He's about a 5 tonner with a healing factor and good senses.
Hourman is also a low to mmid meta. On feats hes about a 20 tonner who can run 60mph and doesnt feel pain.
Hector Fate isnt Trans (too many lows ) and thats the one pictured.
Alan is only trans when possessed by the starheart which has only happened once.

Prof. T.C McAbe Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by carver9
SMDSAH

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Probably JLA based on numbers. The JSA's heaviest hitters are the class of this fight, but I'm not sure it would be enough if they ended up in 2-on-1s or worse.

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JLA.

Also, the Atom has proven that magic does not work on him when he is the size of a theoretical particle (against Gamanemnae, after she had absorbed everyone).

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
In the same story, a possessed Captain Marvel dropped Superman with a single hit.

Suckershot Carter. Cap also had Shazam's power at that point and casually strip Black Adam of his power.

riv6672 Senior Member

Originally posted by Decter
JLA has too much power added with a numbers advantage
Fate is a big problem but he can't carry his team

See, i think he can. Once Superman is out of the picture (and he WILL be) i dont think the numbers game will be a factor for long.
Fate is perfectly capable of dealing with any of the JLA's remaining heavy hitters (MM, FS, WW) on his own. GLs and Flashes match up.
The lower tier characters are just going to be killing time until the higher tiers suss things out.
And at that high level, advantage goes to JSA via Fate.

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Barring PIS, though, not really sure they have an answer to the Atom. And he can be devastating.

riv6672 Senior Member

Devastating with the same caveat working for him, though.
In a no prep fight, i just dont see it.
Its like Stiltman posting Batman's pic, but not nearly as silly. In this type of fight, his biggest advantage isnt really a factor.
Just my take, though; not looking to argue it into the ground.

carver9 Senior Member

What can Adam do to someone like Captain Marvel?

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Originally posted by carver9
What can Adam do to someone like Captain Marvel?

Were you talking about Atom?

He can take out Alan, or Fate. Marvel and Supes can stalemate (though am sure Abhi will say Supes pushes his shit in).

That's two of the JSA's biggest hitters, potentially taken out by one of the JLA guys.

Same with Hawkman/Hourman/Terrific. Atome can take em.

Wally and Jay can stalemate, although Wally is by far Jay's superior. And THAT fight would only last miliseconds, so the winner of that duel (IMO, Wally) would be able to fight someone else almost straight away.

So almost off the bat, we have a Flash and an Atom, without any Fate or Jay or (potentially) Alan.

The JLA have the advantage of Batman's coordination, coupled with MM's telepathy keeping them all synced up (which they usually do in team battles anyway). Even GA has his uses.

carver9 Senior Member

How can Atom take out the heavy hitters though?