JLA Vs JSA (Pre-Flashpoint)

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Originally posted by carver9
How can Atom take out the heavy hitters though?

By giving them a concussion in their heads.

Magic does not affect him when he's that small. He can grow larger, KO them. Sue Dibny was killed when Jean miscalculated (she was attempting to copy Ray when he does the same thing) - but Ray won't, as he has way more experience (which Jean admitted).

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Originally posted by carver9
How can Atom take out the heavy hitters though?

^^^PIS.

Start some specific Atom threads against board faves and said devastation would handily disappear.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^PIS.

Start some specific Atom threads against board faves and said devastation would handily disappear.

Without their magic, the heavy hitters are human.

Magic does not affect him at tiny sizes - canon.
He can ride photons - canon.
He can ride inside one's body - canon.

So not sure where the PIS comes from?

The fact that him taking out these characters is dependent on them not having the clout here that the JLA members do.
I was just answering the question with MHO, same as you.

Edit:
As to the PIS, you brought it up initially.

J'onn literally drops half the JSA with his telepathy. Atom Smasher, Mr Terrific, Powergirl, Captain Marvel, Jay... None of them can defend against it.

The rest of the JLA just has to work clean up duty.

Anyways - here he rides mental energy into someone. Think MM's psi bolts were bad??? He can now be directed into aNYONE's head:

What can he do? Well, Alan needs his concentration. Hard to focus when someone is tap dancing in your inner ear:
http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o625/sclements1/eardrum.jpg

Nah, inner ear is too large. how about his central nervous system? How will Fate focus on his spells? Alan on his constructs?
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/cnscontrol.jpg

Both Alan and Fate have auto shields.

Not to mention green flame might just burn him.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
J'onn literally drops half the JSA with his telepathy. Atom Smasher, Mr Terrific, Powergirl, Captain Marvel, Jay... None of them can defend against it.

The rest of the JLA just has to work clean up duty.


Hard to do that with green flame burning you.

J'onn doesn't has good record against chumps like John and Guy.

Alan just laughs at him and koes him with a blast.

WW - Powergirl
Superman - MArvel
Kyle - Alan
Flash - Jay
Green Arrow
Batman - Terrific

These guys will be the usual matchups, and will be fighting for at LEAST a few minutes. Except for the Flash fight, of course.

Which leaves:
Atom Smasher
Hawkman
Hourman

vs

MMH, Firestorm, the Atom, Plastic Man and Black Canary and Flash (who has beaten Jay in the first second or two of the fight, which took place across the US, lol).

MMH and Firestorm could take the remaining three out, at the speed of thought (immobilise them in promethium, as FS tried against Gamanemnae, or a psi bolt).

Then they all gang up on the other JSAers. Batman running strategies.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Both Alan and Fate have auto shields.

Not to mention green flame might just burn him.
Hard to do that with green flame burning you.

J'onn doesn't has good record against chumps like John and Guy.

Alan just laughs at him and koes him with a blast.

While the rest of the JLA just sit there? Doubtful. The League has a massive speed and numbers advantage. By the time Alan got to him, half his team is gone.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Both Alan and Fate have auto shields.

Not to mention green flame might just burn him.
Hard to do that with green flame burning you.

J'onn doesn't has good record against chumps like John and Guy.

Alan just laughs at him and koes him with a blast.

Light still goes through them. Atom rides photons in.

The Green flame is magic. Magic does not affect the Atom at tiny sizes.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
While the rest of the JLA just sit there? Doubtful. The League has a massive speed and numbers advantage. By the time Alan got to him, half his team is gone.

Oh JLA wins. J'onn still gets KTFO somehow.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Light still goes through them. Atom rides photons in.

The Green flame is magic. Magic does not affect the Atom at tiny sizes.


Atom doesn't go for killing people.

Not to mention green flame burned him when he went inside Alan's brain in JLA JSA secret files.

Light still goes through them. Atom rides photons in.

The Green flame is magic. Magic does not affect the Atom at tiny sizes.

Magic can still affect him indirectly.
Like when/if Scott is powerless against wood in this scenario. He cant blast a tree. He can still pick up a rock and smash said tree.
Just an example of your point not being fool proof.
Basic knowledge applies here.
The JSA know who they need to battle creatively. They have one of the smartest people on the planet on their side, too.
What they dont have is fan support.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh JLA wins. J'onn still gets KTFO somehow.

The hate is strong in this one.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh JLA wins. J'onn still gets KTFO somehow.
Atom doesn't go for killing people.

Not to mention green flame burned him when he went inside Alan's brain in JLA JSA secret files.

Agreed on J'onn.

Agreed Atom doesn't kill. I posted scans of him not killing, just incapacitating.

Was Secret Files before or after Obsidian Age? I'd argue since Secret Files, he became better in his powers (he even mentions how he was testing a theory, implying he had not done so before).

@riv: Another thing they don't have are numbers and power on their side.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
The hate is strong in this one.

Hate? You can't have a JLA fight without someone beating the shit out of J'onn to prove how powerful the are.

Just before Superman beats the shit out of them. It's tradition!!!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Agreed on J'onn.

Agreed Atom doesn't kill. I posted scans of him not killing, just incapacitating.

Was Secret Files before or after Obsidian Age? I'd argue since Secret Files, he became better in his powers (he even mentions how he was testing a theory, implying he had not done so before).

@riv: Another thing they don't have are numbers and power on their side.


After Obsidian age IIRC.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hate? You can't have a JLA fight without someone beating the shit out of J'onn to prove how powerful the are.

Just before Superman beats the shit out of them. It's tradition!!!!!

...Shit.

*Sigh*

It's hard when your favorite is the benchmark.

Sounds like a fun read, got the scan?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
...Shit.

*Sigh*

It's hard when your favorite is the benchmark.

I know right. It's always "I'm as powerful as Superman".

Here's something to cheer you up.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sounds like a fun read, got the scan?

Not atm. It's part 1 of virtue and vice.