First of all for a guy who claims he doesn't talk to me and that I Stalk Him you sure do respond to me a lot.
Originally posted by ILS
I wouldn't define 40 seconds of competitive fighting wherein Vizsla sent Kenobi packing at one point, and Kenobi even resorted to using a Force-push early on, as being "tooled", personally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vtj5YxDcCk (0:51-1:33) [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh Jeez, he was Solidly beaten then. Either way it didn't end well for Vizsla.
Originally posted by ILS
Nah, it's the other way around. Jango fired his rocket first, you see Kenobi's saber drop, and only then do you even see Boba getting the firing controls ready before doing the actual firing.
Ah yes you're right. But getting shot at by both Slave I and Jango obviously didn't help Kenobi. So not sure what you're arguing here.
Originally posted by ILS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tMZdrUx8eM (0:32-0:42)Desperation could be one. Regardless of specifics, I'd say kicking someone off a cliff that size into such a death-guaranteeing environment, or even taking such close swings at him, suggests his intentions well enough.
Punching him's not going to kill him. Post ANH Luke hurt his fists punching Boba Fett's armour, so those suits are pretty damn durable.
As for kicking him off the cliff, you're probably right and it was likely desperation move at that point, unless he gave him a precise enough kick to know he wouldn't fall all the way off, and Knew he could climb back up.
Either way that was the end of the fight. The main disadvantage of taking him alive is with his Lightsaber which he lost early on partly due to Slave I's intervention.
Originally posted by ILS
But I know how stubborn you are so I'll let you ponder Kenobi's abilities further by yourself. 👆
Irony.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi has used help against Cad Bane so by your own self serving logic he doubted his own abilities in that instance. Pre was not defeated and gave as good as he got in their brief encounter.
Due to the environment which he took advantage of. Doesn't make him an actual threat to Kenobi.
Originally posted by quanchi112
38 seconds in [B]Jango disarms and floors him by his missile first.Become aware with Star Wars canon. You were corrected and still lied afterwards. [/B]
Jango ran.
Vizsla ran.
Bane ran.
Anything else?
Oh yeah, Kenobi Uber stomped Cad Bane the last time they fought. It wasn't even a fight 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darth Thor's ignorance or lying is shameful.💃
Keep running from my Canon Battlezone Challenges you Coward.
And keep trying to Troll people into Non-Canon ones 😂
You hate Disney Canon 😂
Originally posted by Darth ThorSo when your guy loses its due to the environment but when they win the environment doesn't count. Double standard and excuses 101.
Due to the environment which he took advantage of. Doesn't make him an actual threat to Kenobi.Jango ran.
Vizsla ran.
Bane ran.
Anything else?
Oh yeah, Kenobi Uber stomped Cad Bane the last time they fought. It wasn't even a fight 😂
Keep running from my Canon Battlezone Challenges you Coward.
And keep trying to Troll people into Non-Canon ones 😂
You hate Disney Canon 😂
Jango wasn't there to kill Kenobi. Kenobi failed. Kenobi fled the scene not Vizsla. Bane was against two Jedi and had Kenobi at his mercy by beating him. You lied about the circumstances of the Jango Kenobi fight after you were corrected. This is you ignoring continuity and facts due to your bias.
You're the guy who lied about Disney canon and after being called on it continued to lie. You don't really know much about Star Wars tbh.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he couldn't. How is he outclassed in sabers ? He crushed Vader. Anakin crushed Dooku. Anakin is the same guy but with less mobility in the suit and less force power.
That's terrible ABC logic. Vader was holding back and Luke was amped by dark rage after Vader's Dün Möch attempt backfired. Anakin was able to take Dooku down because of a similar circumstance. Anakin was amped by his aggression that was encouraged by Palpatine. Dooku had to fend of both Kenobi and Skywalker, wearing him down. While Vader isn't as fast as he used to be, his lower Force potential was never looked into while he was Anakin. Anakin never felt the need to develop his Force abilities because of his raw power. Vader ironically developed his Force abilities as a result of losing so much potential.
Originally posted by TheNuisanceBirdVader was not holding back and was simply outclassed by Luke. Dooku fanned the flames of his aggression and it's a basic theme of Star Wars. We see in a clone wars episode Maul taunt Kenobi into giving into his aggression which throws him off. Quit using it as some sort of excuse. The emotional states of these characters doesn't dismiss the outcomes as some sort of amp.
That's terrible ABC logic. Vader was holding back and Luke was amped by dark rage after Vader's Dün Möch attempt backfired. Anakin was able to take Dooku down because of a similar circumstance. Anakin was amped by his aggression that was encouraged by Palpatine. Dooku had to fend of both Kenobi and Skywalker, wearing him down. While Vader isn't as fast as he used to be, his lower Force potential was never looked into while he was Anakin. Anakin never felt the need to develop his Force abilities because of his raw power. Vader ironically developed his Force abilities as a result of losing so much potential.
Vader also was wiser than the younger arrogant Anakin Skywalker. Point is both the Skywalkers at their best were simply better than Dooku. The Vount I have found to be a vastly overrated fallen Jedi.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So when your guy loses its due to the environment but when they win the environment doesn't count. Double standard and excuses 101.Jango wasn't there to kill Kenobi. Kenobi failed. Kenobi fled the scene not Vizsla. Bane was against two Jedi and had Kenobi at his mercy by beating him. You lied about the circumstances of the Jango Kenobi fight after you were corrected. This is you ignoring continuity and facts due to your bias.
You're the guy who lied about Disney canon and after being called on it continued to lie. You don't really know much about Star Wars tbh.
You're the only one with Double Standards here using "Character Statements" as evidence when it suits you, then calling it others for using more Reliable statements when it Doesn't suit you.
Let me educate you about SW. Environment makes a BIG difference. Even to Saber forms. Kenobi's form works better in "tight" environments. Yoda and Sidious' s acrobatic forms are better in an Open Environment.
Jango ran from Kenobi and NEEDED help from his frigging Starship.
Bane ran from Kenobi and got Humiliated in their last confrontation.
Vizsla cried to his boys for help after He Himself Challenged Kenobi to 1 v 1 combat.
You've been OWNED Again. But keep Trolling, you have a reputation to hold after all.
You Hate Disney Star Wars. That's why you don't read the comics even though you usually do read Marvel comics. 😂 I've called you it on your Hate. Again.
I was already a SW fan and didn't need to Bandwagon just because it looks like it's going to be the Biggest Movie Franchise again 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader was not holding back and was simply outclassed by Luke. Dooku fanned the flames of his aggression and it's a basic theme of Star Wars. We see in a clone wars episode Maul taunt Kenobi into giving into his aggression which throws him off. Quit using it as some sort of excuse. The emotional states of these characters doesn't dismiss the outcomes as some sort of amp.Vader also was wiser than the younger arrogant Anakin Skywalker. Point is both the Skywalkers at their best were simply better than Dooku. The Vount I have found to be a vastly overrated fallen Jedi.
It's his son. Of course he was holding back. We see a difference in the way he fights in ESB and ROTJ. Luke did increase, but not to Vader level. Vader as of canon is superior with the blade as of now. By the Force Awakens, Luke will be better than him most likely. However as of ROTJ Vader has better feats, and accolades. Some of these characters do have a battle altering experience with Force rage. Obi used it in two ways. When he first fought Maul he had maul pressed and even disamred him of one of his sabers. Second time it unbalanced him. This woudl be due to the style change most likely. Ataru very aggressive, Soresu completely passive. You're right. It doesn't dismiss anything, however it tells you that without they wouldn't have won their fights.
Dooku vs Anakin. Without the amp, Dooku would have won.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Then prove it. Luke decimated him and easily bested him. This is another example of you ignoring continuity.
It's his son. Of course he was holding back. We see a difference in the way he fights in ESB and ROTJ. Luke did increase, but not to Vader level. Vader as of canon is superior with the blade as of now. By the Force Awakens, Luke will be better than him most likely. However as of ROTJ Vader has better feats, and accolades. Some of these characters do have a battle altering experience with Force rage. Obi used it in two ways. When he first fought Maul he had maul pressed and even disamred him of one of his sabers. Second time it unbalanced him. This woudl be due to the style change most likely. Ataru very aggressive, Soresu completely passive. You're right. It doesn't dismiss anything, however it tells you that without they wouldn't have won their fights.Dooku vs Anakin. Without the amp, Dooku would have won.
Speculative nonsense.
That all,it's to your last two paragraphs. You make a claim without any proof and treat it as a fact. That isn't debating.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Then prove it. Luke decimated him and easily bested him. This is another example of you ignoring continuity.Speculative nonsense.
That all,it's to your last two paragraphs. You make a claim without any proof and treat it as a fact. That isn't debating.
The difference between his fighting in ESB and ROTJ. He's much more controlled, and actually fighting in ESB. However in ROTJ he doesn't want to kill him. So why would he go all out against someone he's doesn't want to kill. Again, he's accepting the fact that Luke is his son, and his inner conflict. He loves his son. If he went all out he woudl kill him.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Luke didn't want to kill his father either and after disarming him threw his saber down. In esb he fought against a much weaker Luke who cut his shoulder despite his lack of training.
The difference between his fighting in ESB and ROTJ. He's much more controlled, and actually fighting in ESB. However in ROTJ he doesn't want to kill him. So why would he go all out against someone he's doesn't want to kill. Again, he's accepting the fact that Luke is his son, and his inner conflict. He loves his son. If he went all out he woudl kill him.
Speculative nonsense. Luke won and he didn't even have to kill his daddy. Luke owned his father.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Then prove it. Luke decimated him and easily bested him. This is another example of you ignoring continuity.Speculative nonsense.
That all,it's to your last two paragraphs. You make a claim without any proof and treat it as a fact. That isn't debating.
Dude, he just came up with a well written argument that makes a lot more sense than any one you've made so far.
Originally posted by TheNuisanceBirdNo, he did not. He also ignored the fact Luke vastly improved and didn't want to kill his father either. He tosses his saber down and proves it. What he said is completely and entirely speculative. Go by facts not biased theories without anything to back them up.
Dude, he just came up with a well written argument that makes a lot more sense than any one you've made so far.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he did not. He also ignored the fact Luke vastly improved and didn't want to kill his father either. He tosses his saber down and proves it. What he said is completely and entirely speculative. Go by facts not biased theories without anything to back them up.
He through away his saber after he took Vader down with a rage amp. What feats and accolades has ROTJ Luke had that places him above ROTJ Vader?
Originally posted by TheNuisanceBirdYes, he bested him without killing him. Vader was the one who made him angry and paid for it. Luke bested him in combat. That's the ultimate indicator of who is more formidable in a one on one matchup than irrelevant feats.
He through away his saber after he took Vader down with a rage amp. What feats and accolades has ROTJ Luke had that places him above ROTJ Vader?
Originally posted by TheNuisanceBirdThe Sith are the ones tempting the Jedi into giving into their anger all the time so acting like that dismisses the fight is preposterous and basically says let's just dismiss the whole fight because he was mad. Ridiculous.
Bro. You just said---ah whats the point?