Originally posted by quanchi112
The Sith are the ones tempting the Jedi into giving into their anger all the time so acting like that dismisses the fight is preposterous and basically says let's just dismiss the whole fight because he was mad. Ridiculous.
It seemed that Vader was saying how he wanted to turn Leia and that's what caused Luke to be upset. I think there was a documentary with a part on the ROTJ throne room fight.
Originally posted by TheNuisanceBirdSo Vader's words were responsible but he wanted him to turn to the dark side anyways so he wanted to unravel him. He was conflicted and Luke won the day by not fighting back and giving into his anger.
It seemed that Vader was saying how he wanted to turn Leia and that's what caused Luke to be upset. I think there was a documentary with a part on the ROTJ throne room fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So Vader's words were responsible but he wanted him to turn to the dark side anyways so he wanted to unravel him. He was conflicted and Luke won the day by not fighting back and giving into his anger.
He temporarily did lose himself to his rage during his rage amp. It was only when Vader was defeated that he realized his mistake.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceHe forced him to defend himself. He pleaded with him not to try it. Vader did so at his own dismay.
Yeah. Vader totes forced Obi-Wan to both of his legs and his arm off and then leave him to burn to death. It had nothing to do with Obi-Wan being miffed. He had to do it.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceHe knew Anakin wouldn't stop since he wouldn't surrender in that disadvantageous position. If someone is trying to kill you and won't stop you will respond in kind. He could have went over to finish him off yet he didn't.
And he needed to to use a forbidden technique to defend himself? It's not like he couldn't just, you know, move out the way? Hell, how about aim for the arm that's actually holding a lightsaber? Oh, and the "By the way, **** you, I'm out." Totes required.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceHe did want him to pay for his actions but he still couldn't push himself to kill him.
Because he wanted Anakin to suffer. Like seriously read the book. 😬And you still haven't pointed out why Obi-Wan couldn't cut of the arm that actually held a lightsaber, or you know, actually try to kill Vader outright?
He defended himself in the heat of the moment and we see the end results. His instincts wrecked dumb Vader.
No. No he didn't. He just wanted Anakin to suffer.
Actually, Obi-Wan experienced a moment of extreme clarity and decided to cut off all of Anakin's limbs except for conveniently the one actually holding a weapon.
Then again, I'm basing my statements off "evidence" and you're using opinions, so what do I know?
Originally posted by FreshestSliceTheh support your claim with evidence. Telling your opponent not to jump and to give up isn't trying to torture them in the most cruel and sadistic way.
No. No he didn't. He just wanted Anakin to suffer.
Actually, Obi-Wan experienced a moment of extreme clarity and decided to cut off all of Anakin's limbs except for conveniently the one actually holding a weapon.Then again, I'm basing my statements off "evidence" and you're using opinions, so what do I know?
Let's hear this evidence of Kenobi's billion clear thoughts in this moment.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Theh support your claim with evidence. Telling your opponent not to jump and to give up isn't trying to torture them in the most cruel and sadistic way.
Let's hear this evidence of Kenobi's billion clear thoughts in this moment.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
"Obi-Wan looked down. It would be a mercy to kill him. He was not feeling merciful""Obi-Wan knew there was, in the end, only one answer for attachment...
He let it go....Obi-Wan turned his dive into a forward roll that left him barely
teetering on the rim of a low cliff, just above the soft black sand of
the riverbank. Anakin snarled a curse as he realized he'd been
suckered."
As in Obi-Wan intentionally lead Anakin to jump, hence the phrase "suckered." It'd be wise to stop talking now. You won't, but it'd still be wise to.
Well said.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceIt doesn't matter as Anakin clearly set this into motion. In the film it's clear Obi was not suckering him but that he genuinely didn't want to do that.
"Obi-Wan looked down. It would be a mercy to kill him. He was not feeling merciful""Obi-Wan knew there was, in the end, only one answer for attachment...
He let it go....Obi-Wan turned his dive into a forward roll that left him barely
teetering on the rim of a low cliff, just above the soft black sand of
the riverbank. Anakin snarled a curse as he realized he'd been
suckered."
As in Obi-Wan intentionally lead Anakin to jump, hence the phrase "suckered." It'd be wise to stop talking now. You won't, but it'd still be wise to.