Black Adam vs Hercules

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. It's hard to overrate characters who've held their own against Superman on more than one occasion. Clark himself told Captain Marvel that he was his equal in every way and Marvel demonstrated that Clark was right when he went toe-to-toe with an eclipsed non-holding back Superman for an entire comic. BA is even more dangerous than Marvel. Adam wins here even if speed was equalized, which it isn't, so Herc would be damn lucky to get a single win out of ten.

The Marvels are Mid Heralds at best.

Originally posted by zopzop
You do realize that Superman holds back............a lot especially when facing other heroes?

The Marvels are Mid Heralds at best.

On a side note, aren't you one of the more knowledgeable posters when it comes to Marvel gods? Do you have any good durability, combat, or strength feats for herc?

Originally posted by deathslash
On a side note, aren't you one of the more knowledgeable posters when it comes to Marvel gods? Do you have any good durability, combat, or strength feats for herc?

But I do know that Hercules , unlike Glass Jaw Adam, has been PUMMELED on by some of the highest of high heralds and never had any lasting damage done to him.

Ares possessed Masterson Thor sucker attacked Hercules with a Mjolnir strike to the back of his head and Herc got up, turned around, and asked him if he was feeling ok.

Hercs gone toe to toe with Savage Hulk for prolonged periods of time suffering no damage at all. Hell, I could have sworn WWH admitted Hercules was one of the few people that could have stopped his rampage if he made the attempt.

There are more examples but you get the point.

BA turns him into a ping pong table.

Originally posted by deathslash
So I'll concede that it wasn't a oneshot. However, Adam was most certainly getting dominated. Also, isn't ultraman only a high herald? By the way that Adam got owned, does that mean that he's mid Herald in the new 52?

But then the question arises: "Well if BA is a high-herald, how was a Superman analogue(ie. Ultraman) able to dominate him with relative ease?" Imo, it's because the evildoers from Earth-3 were more powerful than the heroes of Earth-0 in general--that was stated a few different times throughout the series, after all. IOW, your average Ultraman would be more powerful than your average Superman.

...Just my opinion, and totally open to ridicule. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
In all honesty, I do view Captain Marvel/Black Adam/Superman in the same tier. IF there is a difference between them, I don't think it's by any significant margin... That is to say: if/when they fight in a comic, it is always going to be a near-stalemate. That said, I would personally place them in the high-herald tier.

But then the question arises: "Well if BA is a high-herald, how was a Superman analogue(ie. Ultraman) able to dominate him with relative ease?" Imo, it's because the evildoers from Earth-3 were more powerful than the heroes of Earth-0 in general--that was stated a few different times throughout the series, after all. IOW, your average Ultraman would be more powerful than your average Superman.

...Just my opinion, and totally open to ridicule. 👆

Has nu adam and marvel been stated as being equal to clark?

Nope. Superman directly overpowered SHAZAM when they fought and pre Flashpoint Superman was clearly more powerful than Captain Marvel on average since he accessed his full potential-- which was later amped further post OYL-- in OWAW.

Originally posted by panthergod
Nope. Superman directly overpowered SHAZAM when they fought and pre Flashpoint Superman was clearly more powerful than Captain Marvel on average since he accessed his full potential-- which was later amped further post OYL-- in OWAW.

Never happened.

Originally posted by Galan007
In all honesty, I do view Captain Marvel/Black Adam/Superman in the same tier. IF there is a difference between them, I don't think it's by any significant margin... That is to say: if/when they fight in a comic, it is always going to be a near-stalemate. That said, I would personally place them in the high-herald tier.

But then the question arises: "Well if BA is a high-herald, how was a Superman analogue(ie. Ultraman) able to dominate him with relative ease?" Imo, it's because the evildoers from Earth-3 were more powerful than the heroes of Earth-0 in general--that was stated a few different times throughout the series, after all. IOW, your average Ultraman would be more powerful than your average Superman.

...Just my opinion, and totally open to ridicule. 👆

Sheer idiocy 👆

I love how confident carver is too. Obv with comics that have been released in the past five years and have been posted in the respect thread, he is without peer 👆

Originally posted by carver9
Never happened.

You aren't in a position to challenge anything I say on this subject.

Originally posted by panthergod
You aren't in a position to challenge anything I say on this subject.

Provide scans please.

nu adam? hrm. the nu characters are going against guys with 50yrs of history... still, all powers in play, adam wins. equal speed i'd take herc vs nu adam for a majority. nu adam/marvels were/have been....disappointing imo. and unlike thor, herc has NEVER been dominated by hulk in h2h combat.