Here we go. Bardock is playing on the recent definition variance of "racism" that was put forth by special interest groups. Since "race" doesn't exist, its a social construct can only apply against minorities who are oppressed and only the majority in power can be it?
Basically, in America, only whites can be racist by the new definition.
But, in reality, blacks and mexicans(like robtard) are almost always racist.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I have, from the start, specified that it fits a common definition of racism. It doesn't fit the definition of racism that I generally use however.
well there's your problem right there.
you are referring to institutionalized racism vs. racism, so it's up to you to specify, instead of it being up to everyone else to drop definition of the word 'racism'.
white americans never have to deal with institutionalized racism -true
white americans never have to deal with racism -horseshit.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
well there's your problem right there.you are referring to institutionalized racism vs. racism, so it's up to you to specify, instead of it being up to everyone else to drop definition of the word 'racism'.
white americans never have to deal with institutionalized racism -true
white americans never have to deal with racism -horseshit.
Now, if you're asking "can whites be hated, killed, raped, fired, not hired, not enrolled in a school etc simply because they are white?" the answer is yes.....its pretty much an everyday occurrence.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
well there's your problem right there.you are referring to institutionalized racism vs. racism, so it's up to you to specify, instead of it being up to everyone else to drop definition of the word 'racism'.
white americans never have to deal with institutionalized racism -true
white americans never have to deal with racism -horseshit.
Yes, I know it is up to me, hence why I specified it like 3 or 4 times in this thread. I made a mistake in wording initially, but I have elaborated on it since.
but you really didnt. yes you acknowledge the difference but fail to then term it correctly. from now on just say 'institutionalized racism' and we'll won't have these misunderstandings.
Originally posted by long pig
White men, who are a minority, do in fact have to deal with institutionalized bigotry.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, it still applies the same. Safe spaces can be for multiple races. White people do not experience racism, so they are often uninformed and/or unintentionally act in a way that is hurtful, it is understandable why someone would want a safe space from that, and the reasons why a KKK meeting is whites only are completely different. Even if it was blacks only there could still be someone who is anti-black (self hating or internalised or whatever), it's about decreasing the chance, not eliminating it completely, cause that's impossible.
Are you for real? It's like racist prior restraint against whites, then? Instead of a bigoted "No-Whites" policy, how about they adopt a no-racist, no-ignorant-dipshit policy? Seems to me like that would be a lot less problematic and send a much better message.
"Safe Space" to me is a bit of an icky term. It can mean anything from an actual safe place to an echochamber where bigotry isn't judged or called out.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
but you really didnt. yes you acknowledge the difference but fail to then term it correctly. from now on just say 'institutionalized racism' and we'll won't have these misunderstandings.many sure whine and pretend, as if they do. that doesnt make your statement any less false.
I prefer to use the term racism for institutionalised racism, and the term "discrimination/prejudice because of race" for "discrimination/prejudice because of race".
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
but you really didnt. yes you acknowledge the difference but fail to then term it correctly. from now on just say 'institutionalized racism' and we'll won't have these misunderstandings.many sure whine and pretend, as if they do. that doesnt make your statement any less false.
White men, a minority in america, are singled out for racially motivated violence more than anyone else. These are facts.
Yet, they as a minority still run shit like bosses!
Originally posted by Bardock42
I prefer to use the term racism for institutionalised racism, and the term "discrimination/prejudice because of race" for "discrimination/prejudice because of race".
ok but that's just you trying to alter language for your own preference, which is just silly and pointless.
so i guess it's all down to whether you want your statements to feel right to you or actually be correct.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
ok but that's just you trying to alter language for your own preference, which is just silly and pointless.so i guess it's all down to whether you want your statements to feel right to you or actually be correct.
I disagree actually. I both think that the way racism is casually used is a misunderstanding of what racism is and it is very pointful to explain what racism should actually mean, because the watered down definition is what makes idiots like long pig think that excluding white people from your yoga class is the same as black people not being allowed to use the same fountain as white people.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I disagree actually. I both think that the way racism is casually used is a misunderstanding of what racism is and it is very pointful to explain what racism should actually mean, because the watered down definition is what makes idiots like long pig think that excluding white people from your yoga class is the same as black people not being allowed to use the same fountain as white people.
i blame you as well. when you do no-true-scottsmen, you leave the door open for longpig to follow suit and assert his own special definitions onto the topic.
what you call 'watered down' is just the actual definition of the word. if you want to specify a nuanced definition, then it is up you to use the correct terms and to be consistent about that.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I disagree actually. I both think that the way racism is casually used is a misunderstanding of what racism is and it is very pointful to explain what racism should actually mean, because the watered down definition is what makes idiots like long pig think that excluding white people from your yoga class is the same as black people not being allowed to use the same fountain as white people.
To me, that's the worst form of racism. The belief others are inferior, that they need protection, that laws and consequences shouldn't apply to them....that excuses should be made for them etc.
Its sad because a hateful racist always knows he's wrong, he knows deep down were equal, but your kind of racism actually thinks he's helping...and it probably comes from a good place...which means you'll never be rehabilitated.