Lord Scourge (SWTOR) Vs Darth Tyranus

Started by DarthAnt664 pages

Dooku hardly did much better than them 😂 Only the highlighted part in blue is something that Scourge might not be able to replicate, but even that is questionable.

"COUNT DOOKU charges across the space at YODA. He rains down blows upon the tiny figure. YODA doesn't budge an inch. For the first part of the contest, he parries every cut and thrust that Dooku aims. Nothing the great swordsman tries gets through. His energy drains. His strokes become feebler, slower.

YODA attacks! He flies forward. COUNT DOOKU is forced to retreat. Words are insufficient to describe the range and skill of Yoda's speed and swordplay. His lightsaber his a humming blur of light.

Count Dooku's lightsaber is sent cartwheeling from his hand. He staggers back, gasping and spent, against the control panel. YODA jumps onto DOOKU'S shoulders, and is about to drive the lightsaber into the top of the Count's head."

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"Count Dooku charged forward. Yoda sighed. Nothing has he learned. Nothing has he remembered. He closed his eyes, bowed his head, and felt the Force that bound all things, even himself and the Count. His lightsaber moved effortlessly, flowing with the Force to find the balance point between them and block Dooku’s every stroke. He did not even have to step back.

The Count’s attack grew more desperate, to no avail. Breathing hard, he backed away, but Yoda did not pursue him. To stop Dooku was all that was necessary, and he could not pass Yoda to reach his Solar Sailer.

The Count slowed once more, then stopped, his blade braced against Yoda’s. Yoda could feel him drawing on the dark side in an attempt to press Yoda’s weapon back, but the dark side was only an easier path, not a stronger one. Backed by the full power of the true Force, Yoda’s lightsaber was unmovable.

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"Dooku went into a wild flurry then, the likes of which he had not shown against Obi-Wan or Anakin, raining blows at the diminutive Master. But Yoda didn't even seem to move. He didn't step back or to the side, yet his subtle dodges and precision parries kept Dooku's blade slashing and stabbing harmlessly wide.

It went on and on for many moments, but eventually Dooku's flurry began to slow, and the Count, recognizing the Futility of this attempt to overwhelm, stepped back fast.

Not fast enough.

With a sudden burst of sheer power, Master Yoda flew forward, his blade working so mightily that its residual glow outshone even those of both of Anakin's lightsabers when he was at the peak of his dance. Dooku held strong, though, his red blade parrying brilliantly, each block backed by the power of the Force, or else Yoda's strikes would have driven right through.

Just as he was about to launch a counter, though, Yoda was gone, leaping high and turning a somersault to land right behind Dooku, in perfect balance, striking hard.

Dooku reversed his grip and stabbed out behind him, intercepting the blow. He let go of his weapon altogether, tossing it just a bit, and spun about, catching it before it had even disengaged from Yoda's blade.

With a growl of rage, Dooku reached more deeply into the Force, letting it flow through him as if his physical form was a mere conduit for its power. His tempo increased suddenly and dramatically, three steps forward, two back, perfectly balanced all the while. His fighting style was one based on balance, on the back-and-forth charges, thrusts and sudden retreats, and now he came at Yoda with a series of cunning stabs, angled left and right.

Never could he strike low, though, for never did Yoda seem to be on the ground, leaping and spinning, flying all about, parrying each blow and offering cunning counters that had Dooku skipping backward desperately.

Dooku stabbed up high, turning the angle of his lightsaber in anticipation that Yoda would dodge left. But Yoda, as if in complete anticipation of the movement, veered neither left nor right, but rather, dropped to the ground. The Count had already retracted the missed thrust, and began a second stab, this time down low, but Yoda had anticipated that, too, and went right back up behind the stabbing blade.

A sudden stab by Yoda had Dooku quick-stepping back even more off-balance, for the first time, and then Yoda flew away, up and back.

The furious Dooku pursued, thrusting hard for Yoda's head. And in his rage when his stab missed yet again, he reverted to a slashing attack.

Yoda's green blade caught the blow, holding the red lightsaber at bay, locking the two in a contest of strength, physical and of the Force."

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FYI, I can't seem to be able to edit my post, so the comic scans are in reversed order.

Originally posted by JKBart
10/10 an hero material 🙂 🙂 🙂

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Dooku fans be like:

"300 years of battlefield experiencing fighting the greatest Sith and Jedi in the galaxy? Who the hell cares.

But... wait wait!? Dooku got utterly creamed by yODA but could stick his saber sword against Yoda's? HOLY SHIT DOOKU IS UBERGREAT."

I have to side with Dooku here but Ant makes good points. 👆

Well it's quality vs quantity. Scourge has killed more Jedi and Sith than Dooku, but it's possible Dooku has gone up and defeated the better types of Jedi and Sith. The best duelist are Sidious Yoda and Anakin. Those are the top people in the PT era, and Sidious and Yoda would beat anyone else in the TOR era in a lightsaber duel. Dooku was able to go toe to toe with Yoda, without dieing with Yoda even complimenting him on how he's grown in power, noting him as the orders greatest student, training General Grevious who has killed several Jedi, humiliated Ventress, defeated both Obi wan and Anakin, defeated mace with both being out of their prime, and being noted as being one of the only people who can contend with Yoda or Mace on equal footing. Dooku has also defeated the combined might of quin Lin Vos and asajj Ventress and is defintily above many of the Jedi in the movies and TCW.

If I had to place Dooku on a saber list for the PT era he would be the second best tier. The only people I see beating Dooku defintily would be Sidious, Yoda, Anakin, Luke, Caedus, Krayt, Kun, and Vader. Other than that I'm not seeing scourge really. Don't get me wrong Scourge has a hell of a lot battlefield experience, and Dooku will be at his best to win, but I'm not seeing a scourge win IMHO.

Scourge can give Dooku a great fight at the least.

dooku shits on scourges head

Originally posted by idk what u do
dooku shits on scourges head

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I wonder if Ant's rampage against Dooku has anything to do with Revan vs Dooku. Ant, how much of that did you get from me btw?

And Scourge would fall to Yoda even faster, lol.

If a Jedi like Quinlan Vos can defeat Count Dooku, the latter is no longer special.

That makes Quinlan good, not Dooku bad. lmfao

Originally posted by SunRazer
That makes Quinlan good, not Dooku bad. lmfao

It makes me wonder who else can defeat Count Dooku.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It makes me wonder who else can defeat the Count.

Canon Quinlan isn't compatible with Legends Quinlan, so I fail to see why this is so jaw-dropping.

That was also a pretty poorly-written fight, but that aside, it's not as if Quinlan didn't enjoy circumstances on his side when he defeated the Count. And I thought the general consensus was that people didn't put Canon Vos above Maul here, anyway.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Canon Quinlan isn't compatible with Legends Quinlan, so I fail to see why this is so jaw-dropping.

That was also a pretty poorly-written fight, but that aside, it's not as if Quinlan didn't enjoy circumstances on his side when he defeated the Count. And I thought the general consensus was that people didn't put Canon Vos above Maul here, anyway.


Whether you consider Legends or Canon, Quinlan Vos improved with experience and additional training.

In Legends; Vos went from loosing to a skilled Jedi Master (i.e. Agen Kolar) to defeating another skilled Jedi Master (i.e. Sora Bulq).

In Canon; Vos went from struggling against a Bounty Hunter (i.e. Cade Bane?) to defeating a Sith Lord (i.e. Count Dooku).

Therefore, I am considering both Legends and Canon showings for the sake of argument.

Vos's victory over Count Dooku implies that a high-tier combatant can challenge and overcome the latter. Also, I don't recall any circumstances involved in this confrontation.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Canon Quinlan isn't compatible with Legends Quinlan, so I fail to see why this is so jaw-dropping.

That was also a pretty poorly-written fight, but that aside, it's not as if Quinlan didn't enjoy circumstances on his side when he defeated the Count. And I thought the general consensus was that people didn't put Canon Vos above Maul here, anyway.

IMO LS Vos is possibly weaker than Maul, but i doubt DS Vos would get beaten by Maul,unless you believe that statement which claims he would beat Dooku 6/10.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Therefore, I am considering both Legends and Canon showings for the sake of argument.

Vos's victory over Count Dooku implies that a high-tier combatant can challenge and overcome the latter. Also, I don't recall any circumstances involved in this confrontation.


What is sounds like is that you're cherry picking to help your argument, which you can't do.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well it's quality vs quantity. Scourge has killed more Jedi and Sith than Dooku, but it's possible Dooku has gone up and defeated the better types of Jedi and Sith. The best duelist are Sidious Yoda and Anakin. Those are the top people in the PT era, and Sidious and Yoda would beat anyone else in the TOR era in a lightsaber duel. Dooku was able to go toe to toe with Yoda, without dieing with Yoda even complimenting him on how he's grown in power, noting him as the orders greatest student, training General Grevious who has killed several Jedi, humiliated Ventress, defeated both Obi wan and Anakin, defeated mace with both being out of their prime, and being noted as being one of the only people who can contend with Yoda or Mace on equal footing. Dooku has also defeated the combined might of quin Lin Vos and asajj Ventress and is defintily above many of the Jedi in the movies and TCW.

Oh. It's "quality vs quantity"?
I'd say if somebody like Vitiate considers you too powerful to be left alive, there must be some kind of quality to you in terms of power. And Scourge murdered a four digit number of individuals on which that description did fit.

And Dooku just managed to defeat people either vastly inferior to himself in terms of force powers or experience. Both categories that Scourge doesn't fit in. He is older than Dooku, has seen more combat and has been described as possessing a vast potential - with 300 years to realize it. Even assuming, that Dooku has more power than all people Scourge brought down, it stands to reason that some of them had by far more dark side knowledge than Dooku. And the same goes in terms of lightsaber skill. Even if Dooku is the kind of talent that you find once every hundred years among the lines of Jedi and Sith, Scourge has - statistically - killed half a dozen people like him.


If I had to place Dooku on a saber list for the PT era he would be the second best tier. The only people I see beating Dooku defintily would be Sidious, Yoda, Anakin, Luke, Caedus, Krayt, Kun, and Vader. Other than that I'm not seeing scourge really. Don't get me wrong Scourge has a hell of a lot battlefield experience, and Dooku will be at his best to win, but I'm not seeing a scourge win IMHO.

Scourge managed to stalemate the Hero of Tython who is the lightsaber combatant of the era (on level with the second Wrath). The only being in the era that would probably be capable of matching those two in sheer lightsaber skill is Malgus, who's battlefield feats have never been replicated, according to none other than Sidious.

But even then, that assumption only goes so far, as you can solo Malgus easily on level 55, meaning that the post-Makeb protagonists are probably better in combat than the guy who Sidious considered to be second to none in that field.

Malgus was canonically fought as a level 50, so using the fact a level 55 can solo him as an argument is sort of lame.

I'd love to see where it says that they were "canonically" level 50.