Waverider is composed almost entirely of chronal energy. When he made contact with Doomsday a second time, this was the result:
As you can see, he simply made a blanket statement as to what was going on: "Can't control -- my ENERGIES!"
So according to Waverider himself: he momentarily lost control of his energies across the board. That said, I think it is perfectly logical to assume that Doomsday had evolved beyond the chronal energies that comprise Waverider's being... Otherwise DD wouldn't have been able to entirely cancel him out. /shrug
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What level character can beat HP Doomsday?
@Galan
The above sparked the Owen discussion...
Some here were coming up with the outrageous conclusions that nothing less than an abstract could beat HP Doomsday...
I set them straight by pointing out that a sufficiently powerful reality warper or matter/energy manipulator could get the job done...
I proposed that a weaker version of Owen; Dark Avengers Owen to be exact would destroy Doomsday...
h1a8 attempted a counter argument and I silenced him immediately...others have attempted to argue pro Doomsday but really have no reasonable counter.
Anyway, my conclusion is a sufficiently powerful Trans Tier or Low Skyfather with the right power set can defeat him...
Originally posted by Galan007
Waverider is composed almost entirely of chronal energy. When he made contact with Doomsday a second time, this was the result:As you can see, he simply made a blanket statement as to what was going on: "Can't control -- my ENERGIES!"
So according to Waverider himself: he momentarily lost control of his energies across the board. That said, I think it is perfectly logical to assume that Doomsday had evolved beyond the chronal energies that comprise Waverider's being... Otherwise DD wouldn't have been able to entirely cancel him out. /shrug
I'm not talking about that, I'm simply talking about the fact that Waverider has used so many times before-stopping time around characters, this has nothing to do with the scans you have shown Galan-truly nothing-you always seem to ignore.
So what if Waverider lost control-that was because he was trying to shutdown his nervous system-when he tried to read DD's pšast nothing happened.
If Waverider used time control/manipulation to stop time around H/P DD this fight would be over, even after he reformed after he lost control over his energies, because he would not touch DD, only Waverider would simply freeze time that enables DD's life and motion-that's the end of DD, than Waverider would use his device to teleport H/P DD anywhere he wants to the bg bang or at the end of time-I don't understand people who are ignoring the fact H/P DD getting freezed in time and than transproted away-time and its effects is the one thing no version of DD can adapt to, because there is nothing physical to adapt to-that's a key here, which everyone seems to ignore.
H/P DD cannot adapt to time freeze and teleportation, or Waverider can simply go back in time to prevent Bertram and the creation of DD in the first place.
You already posted scans where Waverider stopped time around both Superman and DD when they fought the first time-again, he did not blast them with chronal energy, he simply stopped a time around them without blasting them-and that's the key, Waverider does not need to blast anyone or anything just stop time in an part of area/space where H/P DD-he has done it before even with multiple characters-you cannot adapt to that.
Unlike any other energy time is not something physical, and H/P DD adapts to everything physical.
Originally posted by Galan007
Waverider is composed almost entirely of chronal energy. When he made contact with Doomsday a second time, this was the result:As you can see, he simply made a blanket statement as to what was going on: "Can't control -- my ENERGIES!"
So according to Waverider himself: he momentarily lost control of his energies across the board. That said, I think it is perfectly logical to assume that Doomsday had evolved beyond the chronal energies that comprise Waverider's being... Otherwise DD wouldn't have been able to entirely cancel him out. /shrug
One more thing, DD did not cancel Waverider out at all, otherwise he would dead/destroyed just like Radiant was, that alone proves that H/P DD did not adapt to Waverider's chronal energies-he simply sent energies back to Waverider but it did not destroy him or kill him, since Waverider ultimately fully reformed.
Plus, like I said Waverider did not really want to be part of the battle that nervous system attack was truly nothing, since obviously Waverider did not want to use his time control/manipulation abilities, if here really wanted to stop DD he would simply manipulate time around H/P DD and stop it and than transport it somewhere else-at the end of time.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderI'm one step ahead of you. I already knew these feats. If you reread my post you would see that it says "this Owen". Prove that the weakened Owen can do those things. The Owen you feated was at least a low abstract in power as my point suggests.
Owen once destroyed Thors hammer, Caps shield, Surfers board, and Tony's armor...all at the same time.Owen would rip through Doomsday like a hot knife through butter:
Also, I said that DD is beatable is you one shot him. But you need low end abstract power to do that.