Dooku vs. Maul

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I know. Rival Sith factions. Glad we agree. Sidious>>>>>>>>>>Maul. No you're trying to say that mul is close to Sidious sense you're saying he's a rival in skill. So you concede Yoda isn't a failure. Again, the fight is circumstantial so no it's not fact. Also Windu had a boost, that shows he's not on Sidious/Yoda level.

Maul also was a failure in that way of thinking. Defeated and humiliated by jedi padawan. He survived that, and that's his greatest feat. After that, he was able to recover only because of huge portion of NS' magic that Talzin filled him with. If not Talzin, he would be still a twisted, pathetic cave's robo-spider.
After his return, Obi-Wan humiliated him once again. Maul barely escaped, and - along with his brother - would be dead if not the Death Watch's help.
Saved once again, he created his pathetic criminal empire, and decided to challange Sidious' posiotion as Dark Lord of the Sith. Sidious found him faster then he could predict and Maul was humiliated once again. By Sidious and by himself, when he pathetically beg for his life.
Once again he survived, only because Sidious decided to use him as a bait for Talzin. That led to Talzin's death, and another Maul's failure and humiliation. Sad story. Really.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda is greater than Maul and had 800 years to hone his skills. Maul needed more time. Yoda completely failed and came to fight him. Maul was caught off guard and wasn't ready for him yet.

Maul could ahve all the time in the world and would never have reached Sidious leve. Even taking TPM Sidious, maul would have never reached that level. Then you wanna say he would be able to reach Dark Empire sidious. Maul is weak, and will never ever reach that level. You've already admitted Yoda failed due to positioning so a really irrelevant point. So by that logic Sidious was also caught off guard, since Yoda came to fight him, and he wasn't "ready". Maul had the home field advantage, two vs one advantage, more blades. You can't be not ready for a fight. He sensed Sidious coming. No amount of training could have prepared him for what Sidious could do.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Maul could ahve all the time in the world and would never have reached Sidious leve.

Well Maul clearly had great potential, which was the reason Sidious kidnapped him as a child, but yeah he doesn't seemed to have had Sidious's level. If he did Sidious wouldn't have replaced him so easily.

Probably closer to Windu level potential.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well Maul clearly had great potential, which was the reason Sidious kidnapped him as a child, but yeah he doesn't seemed to have had Sidious's level. If he did Sidious wouldn't have replaced him so easily.

Probably closer to Windu level potential.

He did, but never in a thousand year, not even a million would he be able to Sidious level. Well Dooku would have more potential and would be a much better apprentice. He's more skilled, more intelligent, more powerful, had much better trianing. Also their mindsets. Dooku would be the more preferred mindset. Overall Dooku would be the better apprentice, and also had the better connection which helped him during the clone wars.

Dooku wins, every single time.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Maul could ahve all the time in the world and would never have reached Sidious leve. Even taking TPM Sidious, maul would have never reached that level. Then you wanna say he would be able to reach Dark Empire sidious. Maul is weak, and will never ever reach that level. You've already admitted Yoda failed due to positioning so a really irrelevant point. So by that logic Sidious was also caught off guard, since Yoda came to fight him, and he wasn't "ready". Maul had the home field advantage, two vs one advantage, more blades. You can't be not ready for a fight. He sensed Sidious coming. No amount of training could have prepared him for what Sidious could do.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation. Maul's skill wasn't ready. He was also caught off guard. Palpatine is more skilled and more powerful but Maul is still a rival per Sheev's own words.

No it's not. It's based off evidence. Even at his current skill rate he was on Kenobi level. Kenobi has been shown to be below several people as force weilders. He will never and would never reach Sidious. A rival in what exactly?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No it's not. It's based off evidence. Even at his current skill rate he was on Kenobi level. Kenobi has been shown to be below several people as force weilders. He will never and would never reach Sidious. A rival in what exactly?

You guys should stop talking to each other.

Originally posted by SunRazer
You guys should stop talking to each other.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He did, but never in a thousand year, not even a million would he be able to Sidious level. Well Dooku would have more potential and would be a much better apprentice. He's more skilled, more intelligent, more powerful, had much better trianing. Also their mindsets. Dooku would be the more preferred mindset. Overall Dooku would be the better apprentice, and also had the better connection which helped him during the clone wars.

The reason Dooku was more powerful was because he had actualized far more of his potential than Maul.

But I'm sure Maul's "potential" in the Force was greater.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's speculative but sod says otherwise. He's always been greater than Kenobi who bested Vader who even Sidious said would surpass him. Rival Sith.

Your noob opinion is opposite to the movie. Kenobi beat Maul ergo Kenobi > Maul. Your own logic. Fact, as you call it 🙂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The reason Dooku was more powerful was because he had actualized far more of his potential than Maul.

But I'm sure Maul's "potential" in the Force was greater.

Basing on "Legends", I wouldn't say that. Maul never meant to be a true Sith Lord. He was only a true Lords' weapon.
Dooku was on the other hand, the finest apprentice of Yoda's Order.
Dooku, Mace and perhaps even a few others, Vos for example, might all have greater potential then Maul.

But it should be noted, that Talzin's intervention could increases Maul's potential.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The reason Dooku was more powerful was because he had actualized far more of his potential than Maul.

But I'm sure Maul's "potential" in the Force was greater.

I wouldn't say that. I can see the reasoning, but to say Maul's potential is greater than Dooku's is hard to swallow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's speculative but sod says otherwise. He's always been greater than Kenobi who bested Vader who even Sidious said would surpass him. Rival Sith.

How does SOD prove it? If anything it proves my point. Maul went crying to his mama who still couldn't beat Sidious, even when she had the. Home field advantage. Well if he was better than why couldn't he beat Kenobi when he had a 2v1 advantage. That's A>B>C logic which doesn't work considering Anakin is canocially states to be above Kenobi as a duelist. Also going by that logic Dooku>Obi wan>Anakin> however we've seen Anakin beat Dooku, so it doesn't work that way. So you concede. A rival Sith, not in lightsaber skills, or Sith force powers.

SOD actually proves Dooku > Maul.

Because when Windu thinks Dooku and Maul ate the 2 Sith Lords, he immediately states Dooku must be the Master, and Maul the Apprentice.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
SOD actually proves Dooku > Maul.

Because when Windu thinks Dooku and Maul ate the 2 Sith Lords, he immediately states Dooku must be the Master, and Maul the Apprentice.

IIRC, the author of SOD states maul's force powers are not on the level of and I quote,"Vader's, not even Dooku's level of mastery. He stands alongside the great Sith of all time through sheer strength of will."

Still lowballing Darth Maul I see ? This is why I left this forum.... 😮‍💨

Originally posted by McP
Maul never meant to be a true Sith Lord.

Do you believe this guy ? This guy actually says that Darth Maul is not a Sith Lord... I mean how can you lowball him more than this ?

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
SOD actually proves Dooku > Maul.

It proves that because of Mace Windu's obviously wrong assumption on their partnership ? Lol, yes it is. Not to mention how Mace manage to discover their power level while he obviously fail to capture Maul there despite the fact Aayla Secura was helping.

Obviously Mace would think that because Dooku has more power than Maul as a leader of the CIS, while Maul has the smaller function such as Shadow Collective, how Maul can be the master in this ? Maul himself asked to Dooku that he should become his apprentice, it seems that their power isn't so far someone wise person like Maul is trying to take Dooku as a new apprentice.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
IIRC, the author of SOD states maul's force powers are not on the level of and I quote,"Vader's, not even Dooku's level of mastery. He stands alongside the great Sith of all time through sheer strength of will."

And same author says Maul beats Dooku 7 / 10. What happened that did you forget that part ?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I wouldn't say that. I can see the reasoning, but to say Maul's potential is greater than Dooku's is hard to swallow.

He's Talzin's son, and with 22ish years(not counting the time he spent as a deranged spider) he can already at least compete with Dooku in combat.

I don't quite see how that's hard to swallow.