Originally posted by The Ecks
And probably you will never understand that.
First of this is movies forum, why are there more posts on religion and politics than movies?
You do realize that General Discussion and Religion forums are both just a small part of this website right? There are several parts of website that are devoted to movies.
The israel government is doing an ethnic cleansing since years, sure there are desperate people who become monsters because of it.
One should never condemn a whole country for the evil of few, or it's government.
I like the Americans, even though their government is one of the most evil out there and the world leader of terror and war.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The israel government is doing an ethnic cleansing since years, sure there are desperate people who become monsters because of it.One should never condemn a whole country for the evil of few, or it's government.
I like the Americans, even though their government is one of the most evil out there and the world leader of terror and war.
One of the most evil? Leader of terror? 😂
Okay. 🙄
...and the Palestinians have deserved every single thing that the Israeli military has done to them. 👆
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The israel government is doing an ethnic cleansing since years, sure there are desperate people who become monsters because of it.One should never condemn a whole country for the evil of few, or it's government.
I like the Americans, even though their government is one of the most evil out there and the world leader of terror and war.
Solid post. 👆
Originally posted by psmith81992
Uh... No.. The only part of the creation of Israel was the "holocaust" part. Lol@Jewish terrorists.
Oh are you one of those people that thinks the world gave the Jews Palestine as a consolation prize after WW2?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jewish_Resistance_Movement
Educate yourself 👆
The Jewish society in the British Mandate Palestine generally disapproved and denounced violent attacks both on grounds moral rejection and political disagreement, stressing that terrorism is counter-productive in the Zionist quest for Jewish self-determination.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005459
http://www.theocracywatch.org/christian_zionism_israel_forms.htm
http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%203575.pdf
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/projects/holocaust/Research/Proseminar/tomerkleinman.htm
The establishment of the State of Israel would have been possible without the Holocaust due to the Zionist movement, however the reparations from the Holocaust given by West Germany gave Israel the resources necessary to survive
It's cute that you think 3 pseudoterrorist groups, responsible for less than 400 deaths altogether, condemned by most people (including Jews), and are an outlier in the Jewish world, were responsible for the creation of Israel. REALLY good effort there buddy 👆
Learn to read, I said they had an active part in the creation of Israel, not that they were wholly responsible.
And they were most certainly not condemned by the Israeli government, considering the Lehi ribbon was established as a military decoration, and the bodies of Lord Moyne's assassins were laid in the Hall of Heroism and buried in full military honours. Those groups were terrorists, they acted in the fashion of terrorists, to spread fear to achieve their goals, and targeted civilians during their period of activity. The Israeli government pardoned and absorbed these groups after the formation of the country. Sorry that Israel has its roots linked with terrorism. 👇
Whoa there, psmith. You might want to debate the specifics there, but it is a fact that the Jewish authorities did indeed celebrate the role of Lehi for its role in establishing Israel. This isn't just vague talk- the authorities actually gave them a specific service ribbon in recognition of that.
Obviously it's silly to say that terrorism alone made it happen, but it's just as silly to cut them out of history just because it's morally inconvenient to you.
Learn to read, I said they had an active part in the creation of Israel, not that they were wholly responsible.
And they were most certainly not condemned by the Israeli government, considering the Lehi ribbon was established as a military decoration, and the bodies of Lord Moyne's assassins were laid in the Hall of Heroism and buried in full military honours. Those groups were terrorists, they acted in the fashion of terrorists, to spread fear to achieve their goals, and targeted civilians during their period of activity. The Israeli government pardoned and absorbed these groups after the formation of the country. Sorry that Israel has its roots linked with terrorism. thumb down
Obviously it's silly to say that terrorism alone made it happen, but it's just as silly to cut them out of history just because it's morally inconvenient to you.
And Ush, as a Jew I'm telling you what Jewish people think. There are those that still celebrate those groups but they are a small minority and are often dismissed as extremists/zionists by the majority of other Jews.
The approval for the creation of the state and the resources given to create said state after WWII was as close to a direct result of the holocaust as possible. It might have happened eventually without the holocaust, but those two necessary things happened because of it.
I think you being Jewish is just blinding you to any objective analysis here. What you claim people do or do not think is not actually relevant to this discussion- though incidentally, it wasn't just the Jewish government 'at the time'- this was being celebrated decades later (when the ribbon was given out) just like the bombing of the King David Hotel was.
I am not entirely sure what you can possibly mean by "it's silly to claim the creation of the state has roots linked to terrorism." I am afraid it does- such terrorist acts were a fundamental part of Israel's creation. They were a huge factor in the British withdrawal. That is why they were lauded by the authorities.
I think you being Jewish is just blinding you to any objective analysis here. What you claim people do or do not think is not actually relevant to this discussion- though incidentally, it wasn't just the Jewish government 'at the time'- this was being celebrated decades later (when the ribbon was given out) just like the bombing of the King David Hotel was.
I am not entirely sure what you can possibly mean by "it's silly to claim the creation of the state has roots linked to terrorism." I am afraid it does- such terrorist acts were a fundamental part of Israel's creation. They were a huge factor in the British withdrawal. That is why they were lauded by the authorities.
That would be a pretty stupid thing to say about me, seeing as I am a conservative voter. I close the extremist threads on both sides- as you would know if you were paying attention- because they are stupid. Your attempt to draw a parallel there with that I just said about you is ridiculous. Your behaviour, in particular the vehemence of your reply to FA, indicates your biased stance.
It's hard to take it as fact your idea they are so widely condemned when people behind these bombings became, say, Prime Minister of Israel. This is not exactly evidence of widespread public condemnation. It's less than a decade since the hotel bombing was celebrated as a major achievement. You might say one thing- the evidence I see, including of that of talking to many jews, says otherwise. They of course, described it as freedom fighting, but we all know that's just wordplay.
Simply put- I do not remotely trust you as a source on this one, and you are clearly ignorant of the facts.
If you want to mean that, that's fine- but FA's original contention that terrorism was an active part in Israel's creation is simply correct, and your response was hasty and unhelpful.