Since when does Darkseid have super speed? Please don't say merely because he has fought beings with super speed. Otherwise hot damn Toyman and Prankster might as well just be speed force users.
Also Thor when it comes to reaction and movement speed..or anything that isn't space flight..really isn't that massively faster then Spidey. A lot quicker then a human of course.
He doesn't have "super speed" per se but he has succesfully reacted to super speedsters on numerous occasions. Oh, and posting a single fight of Superman against Darkseid where Clark outmaneuvered and outraced the Omega Beams does not in any way negate the fact that Darkseid himself has been able to react to Superman on many occasions. Something that no one else listed in OP can do reliably except for perhaps Spider-Man because of his spider-sense coupled with his speed and agility.
Originally posted by carver9being able to travel ftl speeds doesn't say much about one's reactions. For example, a human can travel at 14times the speed of light (ftl) and have the reactions to avoid any asteroid or heavenly body in space. This is because space is huge and it takes light significant time just to get from one place to another.
Spiderman has done more than react to beings that has FTL showings. He outright blitz them.
That's why linear traveling speed doesn't equate to the same in reflexes.
To have light speed combat reflexes, one must be able to react and respond in time to a lightspeed attack from less than 5ft away (punching distance).
Finally, being able to travel ftl in space doesn't mean you can in a battle. Why? Because battle distance is 0.5km. It takes both time and distance to accelerate to light speeds and beyond. For example, A herald might reach light speed after the first 1000km of travel. So top speed isn't speed of fighting. It's about how quickly one can get to a certain speed. Flash can reach insane speeds within a nanosecond. He doesn't have to wait too long to build up great speeds. It's all about acceleration, not velocity.
Originally posted by Surtur
Since when does Darkseid have super speed? Please don't say merely because he has fought beings with super speed. Otherwise hot damn Toyman and Prankster might as well just be speed force users.
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And this is coming from a Superman fan. Wow, I'm impressed. Keep it up.
Originally posted by Surtur
Also Thor when it comes to reaction and movement speed..or anything that isn't space flight..really isn't that massively faster then Spidey. A lot quicker then a human of course.
Thor has a few good feats, like the microseconds reaction, super-speed running or digging a tunnel faster than the eyes could see, but in general he's proven to be slower by the likes of Daredevil or Cap...
We know Wolverine is faster than him, as stated by Thor himself and in the interview by the writer, Frank Tieri.
I would say that we need feats showing Darkseid actually reacting to a character actually traveling at or near their top speed or Darkseid reacting to super fast objects such as light speed energy beams of the non fluffy type 😄
or finally, Darkseid moving fast where characters with known fast reflexes are complaining (not surprised) of their speed.
Otherwise, we can't prove that he has superspeed since characters are often written without their top reflexes and speed for the sake of the plot.
Originally posted by h1a8
being able to travel ftl speeds doesn't say much about one's reactions. For example, a human can travel at 14times the speed of light (ftl) and have the reactions to avoid any asteroid or heavenly body in space. This is because space is huge and it takes light significant time just to get from one place to another.That's why linear traveling speed doesn't equate to the same in reflexes.
To have light speed combat reflexes, one must be able to react and respond in time to a lightspeed attack from less than 5ft away (punching distance).Finally, being able to travel ftl in space doesn't mean you can in a battle. Why? Because battle distance is 0.5km. It takes both time and distance to accelerate to light speeds and beyond. For example, A herald might reach light speed after the first 1000km of travel. So top speed isn't speed of fighting. It's about how quickly one can get to a certain speed. Flash can reach insane speeds within a nanosecond. He doesn't have to wait too long to build up great speeds. It's all about acceleration, not velocity.
Using this logic, the only being that can combat at light speed is Flash.
Originally posted by h1a8
I would say that we need feats showing Darkseid actually reacting to a character actually traveling at or near their top speed or Darkseid reacting to super fast objects such as light speed energy beams of the non fluffy type 😄or finally, Darkseid moving fast where characters with known fast reflexes are complaining (not surprised) of their speed.
Otherwise, we can't prove that he has superspeed since characters are often written without their top reflexes and speed for the sake of the plot.
The only DS speed feat I can think of is when he surprised the Flash... but it was a literal surprise, less impressive than the stuff a low meta like Deathstroke does on a regular basis.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Never. It's a typical superman myth, wanking his villains and all that.
It's a pretty cool fight.
He also has obligatory "microsecond left to act" feat.
Originally posted by abhilegend
There is an entire issue long fight where both Orion and Darkseid fight at superspeed.It's a pretty cool fight.
He also has obligatory "microsecond left to act" feat.
How fast was Orion and Darkseid going there? Wolverine and Sabertooth has fought so fast that telepathy couldn't keep up.
Thor has a microsecond speed ft as well and do you remember what you said about him?
