Originally posted by Star428
Ok. What are peoples' opinions then on what those small white "dots" are? Birds? LOL. Planes? We all know planes can't enter that high into the atmosphere and they certainly can't enter space as those "dots" clearly were doing. Couldn't have possibly been asteroids or comets. Something wrong with the camera perhaps?
It's ok to say "I don't know," which is my truthful response. I'm not on a mission to disprove it, as TI seems to suggest above. My interest is in establishing what we can know, not idly speculating and asserting that something is the truth before we can even be remotely certain.
Originally posted by Star428
Just to be clear, I wasn't stating in my OP that the video was evidence of alien life. Just thought it was interesting enough to share with people here on the forum. With that said, I think it's preposterous to think that, as big as the universe is (it's infinite), that there isn't other intelligent life forms out there.
I think so too. But "out there" and "on Earth" are two very different claims. The latter will require much, much more justification before I can consider it plausible.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It was a craft leaving the atmosphere, that much is clear, appears people here have little clue how an exit from earths atmosphere works.
How can you tell it was a craft? All I saw was a little flicking.
And that's a serious question. How does one identify it as a craft with so little?
Especially if it only appeared on video and not radar or anything else.
Originally posted by Star428
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Ok. What are peoples' opinions then on what those small white "dots" are? Birds? LOL. Planes? We all know planes can't enter that high into the atmosphere and they certainly can't enter space as those "dots" clearly were doing. Couldn't have possibly been asteroids or comets. Something wrong with the camera perhaps?
Camera's a possibility. Upper-atmsophere electrical disturbance is another thing- that causes lights and similar activity, especially above storms.
Like Digi, I'm in camp 'I don't know.'
There are some people that actually think that in the entire universe there is no life anywhere besides Earth. I know a few people who think this and their reason is that the specific conditions needed for life to grow and evolve are very rare.
Not only does that seem to suggest that there could be no kind of sentient lifeforms out there that are drastically different then us and how we understand life..but it also to me suggests the person actually can't grasp just how massive the universe truly is if they think this specific point in the universe is going to have conditions that are never ever repeated anywhere else.
As for if aliens have ever been here..I think they have. Just because 99% of sightings can be explained, but it's that 1% that even the government couldn't explain. I also wonder if it is a coincidence that a lot of UFO sightings began happening right around the time we were making the first nuclear bomb. On top of that during the 1950's there were numerous reports from various military bases around the country about UFO sightings. The bases usually having one thing in common: nuclear weapons.
Granted just because something can't be explained doesn't necessarily mean it is an intelligent form of life, but I don't know..there are a disturbing amount of sightings reported by military pilots. You'd think if anyone would be able to tell the difference between some type secret plane and an actual UFO. Said pilots reported the crafts moving in a way that is outright impossible for any modern day flying machine.
It also doesn't help that the government has actually flat out been wrong on more then one occasion when it came to their rational explanations of certain sightings that had made the news. I remember for one sighting they tried to claim people were just seeing birds flying at night. But then of course people actually tested this and it turned out yeah..it was not birds. If they merely just said they had no clue what these things were that would be one thing, but knowingly lying about it makes it seem like they are hiding something.
Which to be honest I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing that the government at times is really really bad at lying.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So what three things left the atmosphere? Flying rocks? Three moving dots is not electrical disturbance, do you know how utterly stupid that sounds?
As far as we know, faster than light travel is impossible, thus it's astronomically unlikely that any extraterrestrial life could ever visit us, unless they lived in nearby star systems, and the closest one would still mean a 4 year trip at near-light speed. (Note: there's absolutely no reason to believe that the Alpha Centauri/Proxima Centauri system could have a life-bearing world)
Originally posted by Surtur
There are some people that actually think that in the entire universe there is no life anywhere besides Earth. I know a few people who think this and their reason is that the specific conditions needed for life to grow and evolve are very rare.Not only does that seem to suggest that there could be no kind of sentient lifeforms out there that are drastically different then us and how we understand life..but it also to me suggests the person actually can't grasp just how massive the universe truly is if they think this specific point in the universe is going to have conditions that are never ever repeated anywhere else.
As for if aliens have ever been here..I think they have. Just because 99% of sightings can be explained, but it's that 1% that even the government couldn't explain. I also wonder if it is a coincidence that a lot of UFO sightings began happening right around the time we were making the first nuclear bomb. On top of that during the 1950's there were numerous reports from various military bases around the country about UFO sightings. The bases usually having one thing in common: nuclear weapons.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I didn't say alien. They are clearly UFO's though. There was a scientist from Area 51 that already proved faster then light travel was possible through the use of an anti gravity generator. He actually worked on those craft as well.
I take your use of the word "proved" with a heap of salt.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Okay, so you think it's a government craft then?I take your use of the word "proved" with a heap of salt.
Then there is this dead guy who spilled the beans on his death bed.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
But you don't have to jump to the conclusion of it being some kind of alien craft.As far as we know, faster than light travel is impossible, thus it's astronomically unlikely that any extraterrestrial life could ever visit us, unless they lived in nearby star systems, and the closest one would still mean a 4 year trip at near-light speed. (Note: there's absolutely no reason to believe that the Alpha Centauri/Proxima Centauri system could have a life-bearing world)
The thing is faster than light travel isn't theoretically necessary to travel extreme distances. There is a lot we don't entirely understand or can put into real world application. Teleportation, the ability to bend space and time, are a few of those things. There are some phenomena we as a species can't entirely explain, or that deviates from our understanding of everything. Could some of these instances be ufos or whatever. I say sure, it sure could. Basically it's some shite we don't understand.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's not really a matter of whether there's life elsewhere. It's pretty much obvious that there has to be, given how life can exist in places on Earth with conditions that would be absolute no-gos for human life (in sulfur vents at the bottom of the ocean, for example). The real question is if there's intelligent life that's capable of visiting us. That's a much taller order. Even if there was a species on a star 100 light years away that has ships that can reach 1/10th of light speed (which would be unbelievably fast), it would still take them 1000 years to reach us. No one would ever make that journey.
But it is still silly for one to assume that the conditions needed for intelligent life are so rare it will happen only in one specific place. Whether or not these beings would ever advance to the point they could travel across vast distances is another story.
Also yes the journey would take a long time at the speed you gave, but it's hard to be sure that some race hasn't found a way to make long distance space travel somewhat doable.
We also need to look at ourselves. There are places in our solar system we can't go so what do we do? We send out probes and all that. It is likely that an incredibly advanced species could likewise have incredibly advanced probes to send out. These could be unmanned ships or hell even piloted by robots.
Yes as far as we know faster then light travel is impossible. I think it is safe to say though that we don't know everything. We are only aware of less then 10% of our own history.
EDIT: It's also possible some "aliens" seen by people are products of genetic engineering. The "Greys" people claim to see tend to all look more or less featureless and all exactly the same. Note when I say "exactly the same" I mean people who have claimed to of seen more then one "Grey" simultaneously have said they looked identical. Perhaps they were engineered by some intelligence that couldn't be bothered to travel out to the stars themselves.
Strangely enough some encounters with supposed "Men in Black" were similar in detail in that they looked 100% identical.
Originally posted by meep-meep
The thing is faster than light travel isn't theoretically necessary to travel extreme distances. There is a lot we don't entirely understand or can put into real world application. Teleportation, the ability to bend space and time, are a few of those things. There are some phenomena we as a species can't entirely explain, or that deviates from our understanding of everything. Could some of these instances be ufos or whatever. I say sure, it sure could. Basically it's some shite we don't understand.
Yeah, just because we haven't figured out faster-than-light travel doesn't mean some other intelligent otherworldly species hasn't either; and as you pointed out, there are other hypothesis' about the possible ways for technologically superior beings to traverse the universe besides FTL travel. Teleportation, worm holes, bending space/time, etc.... Just because that all sounds like crazy talk to us doesn't mean other more intelligent life forms (if they actually exist) haven't figured out how to do it.
Originally posted by Surtur
But it is still silly for one to assume that the conditions needed for intelligent life are so rare it will happen only in one specific place.
No, it's not. We don't really know enough about the conditions necessary for life to make an educated guess on whether there is other intelligent life in the universe.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, it's not. We don't really know enough about the conditions necessary for life to make an educated guess on whether there is other intelligent life in the universe.
You just pointed out why it is silly. Since *we don't know* which means someone trying to act like they know for sure is silly. So yep, it's an incredibly silly stance at this point to say it is 100% possible or 100% impossible.