Originally posted by Surtur
You just pointed out why it is silly. Since *we don't know* which means someone trying to act like they know for sure is silly. So yep, it's an incredibly silly stance at this point to say it is 100% possible or 100% impossible.
Sure okay, either side is "silly", then. Seemed like you were of the opinion that it was very likely for other intelligent life to exist in the universe.
Personally, I find the idea that there's other life out there to be incredibly statistically likely. Not only did it happen on Earth, but the conditions to start the most basic of life have been recreated in a lab. Yes, this has happened, for real, under repeatable conditionsl. So obviously, it can be done and can be done elsewhere.
Now, alien life that's made it to Earth from another star system, on the flip side? That's much more unlikely.
Originally posted by meep-meep
Not sure. Maybe Bob Lazar? If that's who you are thinking of I'm not convinced he is very credible. He does have some fantastic stories though.
That's him, now why are you saying he's not credible? His stories are very detailed. And we all know he worked there on advanced propulsion systems.
Re: NASA Cuts Live Video feed of UFO's Leaving Earth's Atmosphere
Originally posted by Star428Its a common thing. It's been a common thing for years.
Can't believe I didn't find out about this till now. It happened several months back.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoAR-o1Enrg
If it wasn't for one of my followers on twitter posting it I never would've learned about it.
Originally posted by Surtur
But it is still silly for one to assume that the conditions needed for intelligent life are so rare it will happen only in one specific place. Whether or not these beings would ever advance to the point they could travel across vast distances is another story.Also yes the journey would take a long time at the speed you gave, but it's hard to be sure that some race hasn't found a way to make long distance space travel somewhat doable.
We also need to look at ourselves. There are places in our solar system we can't go so what do we do? We send out probes and all that. It is likely that an incredibly advanced species could likewise have incredibly advanced probes to send out. These could be unmanned ships or hell even piloted by robots.
Yes as far as we know faster then light travel is impossible. I think it is safe to say though that we don't know everything. We are only aware of less then 10% of our own history.
EDIT: It's also possible some "aliens" seen by people are products of genetic engineering. The "Greys" people claim to see tend to all look more or less featureless and all exactly the same. Note when I say "exactly the same" I mean people who have claimed to of seen more then one "Grey" simultaneously have said they looked identical. Perhaps they were engineered by some intelligence that couldn't be bothered to travel out to the stars themselves.
Strangely enough some encounters with supposed "Men in Black" were similar in detail in that they looked 100% identical.
I'd like there to be life on other planets. I'd like to meet aliens, assuming they're friendly and can communicate. That doesn't mean I think I ever will.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
That's him, now why are you saying he's not credible? His stories are very detailed. And we all know he worked there on advanced propulsion systems.
Honestly, it is proven that he did work there but only for like a few weeks or some such thing. Also, from what I remember, all of his credentials (degrees, experience etc.) prior to that apparently don't exist. An argument can be made that the powers that be are on a mission to discredit the guy, so his past was 'removed' to tarnish his rep. I admit that much. It makes for a fascinating story if what he says is true, but as much as I'd like, or not like, for that to be true I need more than just stories bud.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Science fiction stories often are rich with detail. Detail is what separates good liars from bad liars.
Originally posted by meep-meep
Honestly, it is proven that he did work there but only for like a few weeks or some such thing. Also, from what I remember, all of his credentials (degrees, experience etc.) prior to that apparently don't exist. An argument can be made that the powers that be are on a mission to discredit the guy, so his past was 'removed' to tarnish his rep. I admit that much. It makes for a fascinating story if what he says is true, but as much as I'd like, or not like, for that to be true I need more than just stories bud.
We know he worked there...and he said they were using a gravity drive to achieve FTL. It is more then theory if you can bend gravity to your whim, you can achieve things that before were not possible. Also he talked about element 115. All of this seems credible to me. Why would the government hire a guy who supposedly had no accreditations, which now they say he doesn't have. You don't just waltz on to Area 51.
I have heard nothing that suggests to me Bob is lying. He has been consistent for 25 years and has avoided opportunities to make money from his story. As far as some of his history "not checking out" is concerned, don't you think the CIA would be pulling out all the stops to discredit his character?
Just look at some of his scientific testimony. You can't think this guy is a hoax.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We know he worked there...and he said they were using a gravity drive to achieve FTL. It is more then theory if you can bend gravity to your whim, you can achieve things that before were not possible. Also he talked about element 115. All of this seems credible to me. Why would the government hire a guy who supposedly had no accreditations, which now they say he doesn't have. You don't just waltz on to Area 51.I have heard nothing that suggests to me Bob is lying. He has been consistent for 25 years and has avoided opportunities to make money from his story. As far as some of his history "not checking out" is concerned, don't you think the CIA would be pulling out all the stops to discredit his character?
Yeah. I addressed that his reputation could have been tampered with. He sounds like an intelligent guy, and he very well could be telling the truth. The fact that he was employed there says something, at the least. I need solid proof though.
Originally posted by Surtur
It just irks me the government or any agency thinks they have the right to keep shit like this from the public. They tend to forget that the government serves the people not the other way around.
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it.
~Agent K
I firmly believe that.