Originally posted by juggernaut74
You can assume what you want. I'll go with what I see on panel.
As do I, as well as the text.... which said the fighting (all the fighting) came to a screeching halt.
Even what you see you DON'T know why Walter was back on the ground. You DON'T know even if it was caused by Colossus or an external source. To say it was from Colossus is assuming.
Originally posted by -K-M-Where does it say all the fighting stopped? Looks to me Sasquatch and Colossus are still fighting in all of the panels. Colossus Judo tossed Sasquatch who then at some point got back up and then at some point Colossus took him down and pounded him as seen in the last panel. We can't just assume it was artistic error just because it puts Sasquatch in a bad position.
As do I, as well as the text.... which said the fighting (all the fighting) came to a screeching halt.Even what you see you DON'T know why Walter was back on the ground. You DON'T know even if it was caused by Colossus or an external source. To say it was from Colossus is assuming.
Looking back at the fight it does indeed look that Sasquatch started the fight so you're theory he was "toying" with Colossus seems less likely.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Where does it say all the fighting stopped? Looks to me Sasquatch and Colossus are still fighting in all of the panels. Colossus Judo tossed Sasquatch who then at some point got back up and then at some point Colossus took him down and pounded him as seen in the last panel. We can't just assume it was artistic error just because it puts Sasquatch in a bad position.Looking back at the fight it does indeed look that Sasquatch started the fight so you're theory he was "toying" with Colossus seems less likely.
Like I said did you just completely ignore the text...
""enough of the fury gets through to bring the battle to a screeching halt" (Storm then rushes to calm the storm). Everyone stops and doesn't move. Notice it says "BATTLE" and not "FIGHT"
bwahaha your assuming Colossus took him down again with NO PROOF. Where's your proof they continued to fight when everyone else stopped and the narration stated the BATTLE came to an end. You're telling me not to assume anything, but your doing it right here and making some big assumptions with no proof. So where is it proof? Go on as you said you go by looking at the panels 😬
What? He was mocking him the entire time. The reason he got the judo toss is he literally held his hand on his head while Colossus's flayed his arms like a little child. This is often done as a means to embarrass someone. The fight stopped shortly after this. Are you new?
Originally posted by -K-M-I'm not assuming Colossus took him down. The panels show Sasquatch on his knees while Colossus is pounding him.
Like I said did you just completely ignore the text...""enough of the fury gets through to [b]bring the battle to a screeching halt
" (Storm then rushes to calm the storm). Everyone stops and doesn't move. Notice it says "BATTLE" and not "FIGHT"bwahaha your assuming Colossus took him down again with NO PROOF. Where's your proof they continued to fight when everyone else stopped and the narration stated the BATTLE came to an end. You're telling me not to assume anything, but your doing it right here and making some big assumptions with no proof. So where is it proof? Go on as you said you go by looking at the panels 😬[/B]
Originally posted by -K-M-Well then Sasquatch embarrassed himself because he got his salad tossed.What? He was mocking him the entire time. The reason he got the judo toss is he literally held his hand on his head while Colossus's flayed his arms like a little child. This is often done as a means to embarrass someone. The fight stopped shortly after this. Are you new?
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Originally posted by juggernaut74
I think you may be upset Sasquatch was getting pounded on at the end of the batle.It's not a big deal.
No I don't care about that as we saw his punches had little effect on Walter earlier. Pound to his hearts content. Except he wasn't of course.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I'm not assuming Colossus took him down. The panels show Sasquatch on his knees while Colossus is pounding him.Well then Sasquatch embarrassed himself because he got his salad tossed.
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Haha what? You have said colossus took him down again multiple times. Are you ignoring your own words now? We don't know how he got on his knees nor do we know for a fact he was even pounding on him. He even stopped and was looking at cyclops and northstar like Walter was doing. We know the fighting stopped as stated and shown. That's fact. You're making the large assumptions with no proof
You ignored pretty much everything and provided no rebuttal. Troll going to troll
He embarrassed himself sure, hence why he said whoops. Haha now his salad was tossed? Haha you're a troll. A terrible one at that
That whole time Colossus was in self doubt and denial about his worth. Is it so hard to believe that him finally pulling his head out of his ass got him the momentum he needed to get the better of Sasquatch? He was a teenager, so there's no guarantee he'd have won. But the on panel evidence shows he had the advantage in that fight. And there's further evidence of him using his skills to take down opponents strength won't work against, like when the same teenage Colossus fought Savage Hulk and was doing okay for a while.
And whether you like it or not, we can't speculate what could have happened, or what should have or what was supposed to. It happened on panel. For instance, why would Walt for any reason be on his knees if Colossus didn't put him there?
Just let Colossus have his moment. It doesn't reflect badly on Walter to get taken down by a guy he clearly underestimated. And it's not like he KO'd him and left him for dead or something.
Originally posted by KingD19
That whole time Colossus was in self doubt and denial about his worth. Is it so hard to believe that him finally pulling his head out of his ass got him the momentum he needed to get the better of Sasquatch? He was a teenager, so there's no guarantee he'd have won. But the on panel evidence shows he had the advantage in that fight. And there's further evidence of him using his skills to take down opponents strength won't work against, like when the same teenage Colossus fought Savage Hulk and was doing okay for a while.And whether you like it or not, we can't speculate what could have happened, or what should have or what was supposed to. It happened on panel. For instance, why would Walt for any reason be on his knees if Colossus didn't put him there?
Just let Colossus have his moment. It doesn't reflect badly on Walter to get taken down by a guy he clearly underestimated. And it's not like he KO'd him and left him for dead or something.
He got the toss as Walter was over-confident and allowed it to happen. Walter has never fought like that again in his history. Good for colossus, he earned that but it was not some huge turning point.
It did happen, again as I said I have no problems with the toss. We don't know why he was on his knees later but (debated with this you before) why are you choosing to ignore the text where the fighting stopped? You guys are assuming it was colossus but no proof and as the text said the fighting stopped
No it doesn't. Said that multiple times But some guys ie. juggernaut are putting way more stock into what it was as apparently his "salad was getting tossed"
Originally posted by KingD19KM is so quick to assume that Sasquatch was playing with Colossus or that the artist messed up in that fight. I hardly ever bring up the fact that Colossus was going through a period of self doubt and wasn't giving his all in that fight. I guess context does mean a lot.
That whole time Colossus was in self doubt and denial about his worth. Is it so hard to believe that him finally pulling his head out of his ass got him the momentum he needed to get the better of Sasquatch? He was a teenager, so there's no guarantee he'd have won. But the on panel evidence shows he had the advantage in that fight. And there's further evidence of him using his skills to take down opponents strength won't work against, like when the same teenage Colossus fought Savage Hulk and was doing okay for a while.And whether you like it or not, we can't speculate what could have happened, or what should have or what was supposed to. It happened on panel. For instance, why would Walt for any reason be on his knees if Colossus didn't put him there?
Just let Colossus have his moment. It doesn't reflect badly on Walter to get taken down by a guy he clearly underestimated. And it's not like he KO'd him and left him for dead or something.
That's my new argument, that was a teenage Colossus who wasn't even trying in the fight(a fight that he didn't even start).
Originally posted by juggernaut74
KM is so quick to assume that Sasquatch was playing with Colossus or that the artist messed up in that fight. I hardly ever bring up the fact that Colossus was going through a period of self doubt and wasn't giving his all in that fight. I guess context does mean a lot.That's my new argument, that was a teenage Colossus who wasn't even trying in the fight(a fight that he didn't even start).
How do you figure he wasn't? He was insulting him the entire time. Lifting him in te air like a child with one arm, mocking his best punch and put his hand on his head while colossus swung wildly like a bully does to a kid. Yeah totally not playing with him 😬 hell I wasny the original person that said it might have been an artist error. I only picked up on it much much later. Keep swinging and missing like colossus
Good for him and the self doubt. Doesn't impact what I was saying. You put far to much stock in a toss and ignored the fact the fighting stopped
Haha troll going to troll. You do realize even colossus supporters aren't agreeing with you right? Also didn't start the fight? Did you not read the issue? The fight broke out because of him. You're the worst
Originally posted by -K-M-
How do you figure he wasn't? He was insulting him the entire time. Lifting him in te air like a child with one arm, mocking his best punch and put his hand on his head while colossus swung wildly like a bully does to a kid. Yeah totally not playing with him 😬 hell I wasny the original person that said it might have been an artist error. I only picked up on it much much later. Keep swinging and missing like colossusGood for him and the self doubt. Doesn't impact what I was saying. You put far to much stock in a toss and ignored the fact the fighting stopped
Haha troll going to troll. You do realize even colossus supporters aren't agreeing with you right? Also didn't start the fight? Did you not read the issue? The fight broke out because of him. You're the worst
What's the most likely cause of Sasquatch being on his knees? Iyo I mean.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Well regardless of who started the fight between Sasquatch and Colossus the main point I was trying to make and that everyone agrees with was that Colossus had the advantage at the end of the fight. Kingd, Stilt, and Pr see this also.Would Colossus have won? Nobody knows for sure.
briefly from a judo toss which was caused by walter being over-confident. Hardly anything of note to say the tide was completely turning
The people you listed said Sasquatch would have won so there's that
Originally posted by -Pr-
What's the most likely cause of Sasquatch being on his knees? Iyo I mean.
Artistic error. As noted, which is amazing I have to keep repeating it...... the storm got out of control and as noted the BATTLE STOPPED. Everyone was in the EXACT SAME positions as everyone else except them. Actually, Colossus is actually in the same pose in the last an second last scan, only one that was different was walter. So prove to me they kept fighting or it was Colossus that did it? For all we know the storm did it or something else. Pretty basic stuff really.
So the storm was getting so badly out of control, which caused shaman, storm, northstar, cyclops, wolverine and guardian to completely stop (and not move) as well as the narration said the fighting stopped, but those two decided yeah lets keep fighting??? 😬 Do you not see the error in that thinking?
Originally posted by -K-M-
briefly from a judo toss which was caused by walter being over-confident. Hardly anything of note to say the tide was completely turningThe people you listed said Sasquatch would have won so there's that
Artistic error. As noted, which is amazing I have to keep repeating it...... the storm got out of control and as noted the BATTLE STOPPED. Everyone was in the EXACT SAME positions as everyone else except them. Actually, Colossus is actually in the same pose in the last an second last scan, only one that was different was walter. So prove to me they kept fighting or it was Colossus that did it? For all we know the storm did it or something else. Pretty basic stuff really.
So the storm was getting so badly out of control, which caused shaman, storm, northstar, cyclops, wolverine and guardian to completely stop (and not move) as well as the narration said the fighting stopped, but those two decided yeah lets keep fighting??? 😬 Do you not see the error in that thinking?
I have no problem with the assertion that Storm's gusts stopped the fight. The narration says so.
My question is because it honestly comes across, even if you don't intend it so, that you're saying that it had to be something else that put him on his knees because it couldn't possibly be Colossus.
Believing the storm did it is strange to me, as it didn't knock Cyclops or Logan off of their feet.
Artistic error is possible, sure.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I have no problem with the assertion that Storm's gusts stopped the fight. The narration says so.My question is because it honestly comes across, even if you don't intend it so, that you're saying that it had to be something else that put him on his knees because it couldn't possibly be Colossus.
Believing the storm did it is strange to me, as it didn't knock Cyclops or Logan off of their feet.
Artistic error is possible, sure.
You missed the point I'm saying....it could have been an external source, it could have been anything. As I said MANY TIMES now I DO NOT KNOW what caused it, but we do know the fighting stopped and everyone else stopped, but for some reason they decided to keep fighting ignoring the text and everyone else? That's a huge stretch. People in here were saying for CERTAIN it was Colossus that caused it. I said many times we don't know, yet I'm being questioned? lulz