Originally posted by Robtard👆
Leonidas would casually cut Oberyn's spear on the first thrust and then sodomize him.
It's not even a contest. Leonidas outmatches Oberyn in every physical attribute. It would be like if Gregor Clegane was also much faster than Oberyn as well, rather than just considerably stronger and tougher.
Leonidas does the same thing to Oberyn's spear that Gregor did to Oberyn's first one. Only Oberyn doesn't have a squire to fetch him a replacement here. Not that it would matter.
Originally posted by FrothByteLeonidas' sword looks to be barely shorter than an arming sword.
Yeah well I didn't see that much skill from the Immortals either. Couple a dropkicks here and there but nothing much. Plus again, spear is at a huge advantage against a short sword. And I do mean huge advantage.
What do you classify as a "short sword"?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Leonidas' sword looks to be barely shorter than an arming sword.What do you classify as a "short sword"?
If the replicas are to be believed as accurate, the swords used in 300 have a 25-26 inch blade which is 5-6 inches shorter than an arming sword. That means it has a ridiculously short reach against a spear. It also doesn't have the mass behind it to cut through the spear shaft.
How is this even a fight? I'm still not understanding the other side here.... Let's look at this objectively...
1. Leo holds almost every physical advantage imagineable. Which means, he's a step ahead of RV at every turn, both offensively and defenssively. Being physcialy superior can make up for mistakes leo might make in battle (unlikely anyways). It's simply too much to overcome imo
2. Leo is just as skilled as RV if not more so. Let's just say for a second they are equally skilled, well then, Leo's physically attributes would then seal the deal. However, I don't even believe they are equally skilled, I believe Leo is also more skilled. When you couple more skills and physically superior... I'm not sure how this is a fight.
3. People seem to be making a big deal out of RV having a spear and Leo only a short sword. They fail to realize Leo was quite used to fighting in such a situation. Spears broke all the time in antiquity. It was common place. Leo would be well versed in how to fight an opponent with a spear using just his short sword. Not only that, Leo is again better with the spear, with more experience using it. He knows the ins and outs of it and how to overcome it. Not only that... his short sword is more durable than a spear, as people have mentioned, he would likely break the spear... and then what for RV? He's done.
I just don't see tis as much of a fight. One was clearly portrayed as super human... one was not.
Originally posted by Robtard
Strength can matter in a sword/spear fight, the stronger opponent could use his strength advantage when parrying to deflect his opponent's weapon away, making recovery and counter times longer.Do you even swordfight/spearfight, bro?
lol. I love the premise of.... strength doesn't mean much in a weapons fight....
Originally posted by KingD19
The only feat Oberyn actually had was dancing around the biggest and slowest guy in the kingdom loaded down by dozens of pounds of armor and a weapon that probably weighed a good 20lbs if not more.What proof do you have he's fast?
Not saying he's faster, just that I don't see proof of Leonidas being any faster than Oberyn. KT made a claim that Leonidas is physically superior to Oberyn in every aspect... so I'd like proof.
I see Leonidas being in the same fight speed as Aragorn or Oberyn or Spartacus.
The slow mo scenes show just how fast the Spartans actually are. They're cutting through multiple guys before they can even react. And it's clear they're superhuman across the board.
Even if they werent, As I said Oberyn's speed is really moot since the only person we saw fight him was the slowest guy in GoT who still managed to tag him a few times despite wearing 50+ lbs of armor and the weight of his sword.
Originally posted by KingD19
The slow mo scenes show just how fast the Spartans actually are. They're cutting through multiple guys before they can even react. And it's clear they're superhuman across the board.Even if they werent, As I said Oberyn's speed is really moot since the only person we saw fight him was the slowest guy in GoT who still managed to tag him a few times despite wearing 50+ lbs of armor and the weight of his sword.
Slowest guy? I know Gregor isn't exactly fast but you have to admit calling him the slowest guy in GoT is a bit of an exaggeration. Bronn does state that Gregor is far faster than any man his size should be.
Plus, the reach difference between Oberyn's spear and Leonida's short sword is bigger than whatever speed difference they might have. After all, that big lumbering giant was able to land hits on Leonidas, so it's not like he's THAT fast.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Only someone with actual weapons training will understand...If you know the concept of the forte/strong and debole/foible/weak part of the blade you'd understand...
I promise you, ask anybody with weapons training if strength makes no different and they will strongly disagree. I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're not doing it well. Being stronger than somebody most certainly helps in blade locks and parrying. Not to mention offensively if you're delivering powerful strikes that force your foe back or force his blade back far enough to find openings. Same with blocking in general, strength can make a big difference.
As yourself.... would you rather block a blow from a 14 year old kid or from a grow man who's incredibly strong. One would deliver a blow that could very well knock the blade from your hand... the other.. not so much. Again, I know what you're trying to say but you're discounting the fact that strength can help and does help. You know this to be true.