Can't edit, so a double post.
I think the thing that bothers me the most about it is that we were told. Not hinted, not suggested, but flat out TOLD, that this show would take place in the prime universe. So that leaves one of two possibilities:
1 - They lied to get old fans on-board.
2 - They fully intend for this to be the prime universe, they just have no issue retconning the shit out of a bunch of stuff.
Whichever it is, kinda feeling like it's been a bait and switch to an extent.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Can't edit, so a double post.I think the thing that bothers me the most about it is that we were told. Not hinted, not suggested, but flat out TOLD, that this show would take place in the prime universe. So that leaves one of two possibilities:
1 - They lied to get old fans on-board.
2 - They fully intend for this to be the prime universe, they just have no issue retconning the shit out of a bunch of stuff.Whichever it is, kinda feeling like it's been a bait and switch to an extent.
Which inconsistencies you referring to? Little ones like the holographic communication which didn't come about until DS9, the way the Klingons look, or something bigger?
In any case I read somewhere that the show will seem like it's retconning Canon early on but a lot of those things will fix themselves as the show continues.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Which inconsistencies you referring to? Little ones like the holographic communication which didn't come about until DS9, the way the Klingons look, or something bigger?In any case I read somewhere that the show will seem like it's retconning Canon early on but a lot of those things will fix themselves as the show continues.
Could the universe be time-split but more advanced one in the Abrams films?
I've not looked into this at all, just wondering, as that would made sense.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Which inconsistencies you referring to? Little ones like the holographic communication which didn't come about until DS9, the way the Klingons look, or something bigger?In any case I read somewhere that the show will seem like it's retconning Canon early on but a lot of those things will fix themselves as the show continues.
There's a fair bit of minor nitpicky stuff that, in all honesty, I could get past in time if the show itself improved. Stuff like the hologram (which you could just say is a prototype that they end up abandoning), the ship designs, the fx and the like. Putting this show a decade before Kirk REALLY hamstrings it, tbh.
But the major stuff? The stuff that really gets me?
-First is the Klingons. Their society has undergone wholesale changes that I really don't see being fixed in the space of a decade. Kahless is NOT a god, nor is he Jesus, and REALLY should not be treated as such. The racism makes no sense. The make-up, even if we go with the whole "they're sprucing them up" thing, doesn't look great, and instead looks like they interbred with Remans. In general, it'd be a minor miracle if they can actually get them back in line with canon, which is something I doubt they'll even try to do.
-The serious lack of formality and protocol on the Shenzhou. Roddenberry was damn near anal about that in the past, and it was something that carried over to ALL the shows. Even DS9, which had a mixture of all kinds, still operated under the assumption that Starfleet was run like a military organisation. In Discovery? That's not how Starfleet works, and even Kirk, who ran a far more relaxed bridge crew than most, still wouldn't have tolerated such a mess.
-The Vulcans/Burnham/Katra mess. So she somehow graduated from Vulcan schools, which is something that Humans aren't even supposed to be capable of. She's some sort of prodigy, then? A prodigy that also has a piece of Sarek, arguably the most respected Vulcan of both TOS and TNG eras? That is dangerously close to making her a giant honking Mary Sue.
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TBH, right now I just feel like the show made a really bad first impression in terms of how it's supposed to fit in to the universe. I want the show to get better in those terms. I want to be able to look back at it in ten years and think to myself how great it is that this new, spruced up Trek fits in to the universe.
For people that don't really like trek, or just never watched it, I can see them getting more enjoyment out of it. It's not a badly made show, imo.
Originally posted by Lestov16
CBS is just airing it. It was made under Paramount/Bad Robot's production company
Well that's just ****ing stupid. Fuller was obviously lying then. Even with that in mind though, it doesn't explain the inconsistencies. Also, someone should correct the wiki then, as it states something else completely.
Isn't racism on Earth supposed to be all but forgotton on Earth? That's why the white/black black/white episode was so confusing to the crew. And Diana told Mark Twain the future is a utopia of mutual respect..
Sisko did give a nod to racism, but that seemed more because he's a huge baseball fanatic who knows his history.
Originally posted by cdtm
Isn't racism on Earth supposed to be all but forgotton on Earth? That's why the white/black black/white episode was so confusing to the crew. And Diana told Mark Twain the future is a utopia of mutual respect..Sisko did give a nod to racism, but that seemed more because he's a huge baseball fanatic who knows his history.
Yeah. They don't pretend that racism doesn't exist; it just kind of went out the window (back during Enterprise) when Humans realised that being a different colour wasn't as bad as being a different species.
By the time of Kirk et al, things like racism on Earth were all but dead.
Originally posted by Lestov16
CBS is just airing it. It was made under Paramount/Bad Robot's production company
Wiki states 4 production companies. One is CBS Television studios. Another is Roddenberry Entertainment. Neither Paramount or Bad Robot are mentioned, so must be Prime Universe.
Originally posted by Robtard
Could the universe be time-split but more advanced one in the Abrams films?I've not looked into this at all, just wondering, as that would made sense.
Yeah seems to be 2 parallel timelines.
Originally posted by marwash22
i don't think so. I saw the trailer for the 3rd episode and it looks like a linear timeline where Michael makes her way to joining the Discovery.
I just watched the trailer... Wow, there isn't even much of a gap between her getting charged and being reassigned.
And it looks like she's even more central to the plot than I'd hoped.
looks like she was brought aboard as a prisoner, but the captain (going rogue, perhaps) asks her to join... probably after she helps solves whatever problem he had.
sidenote, you and the other Trekkies seem overly critical of this show, you in specific even admitting that the show isn't bad, you're just mad that it's not like the other shows.
this fanbase might be the most hardcore fanbase in existence. I don't see Star Wars or Comic fans get this riled up when changes are made in a new series/movie.
kinda makes me wanna watch the 'Trekkie' documentary that i never got around to watching.
Originally posted by marwash22
looks like she was brought aboard as a prisoner, but the captain (going rogue, perhaps) asks her to join... probably after she helps solves whatever problem he had.sidenote, you and the other Trekkies seem overly critical of this show, you in specific even admitting that the show isn't bad, you're just mad that it's not like the other shows.
this fanbase might be the most hardcore fanbase in existence. I don't see Star Wars or Comic fans get this riled up when changes are made in a new series/movie.
kinda makes me wanna watch the 'Trekkie' documentary that i never got around to watching.
I wouldn't say mad, as much as disappointed. Feels kinda like a giant bait and switch. I don't see how it's over-critical though, tbh.
Really, though? You don't see comics fans get that mad? Our board alone has freakouts every time there's a big retcon.