Fact Checking on White/Black Crime

So the rumor that 13% of the population is black, yet commits almost 50% of the homicides in America.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime/19439

"The verdict

There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races.

While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports don’t support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination."

-The GDF libbos.

Just because it's obvious, and true.....and easily backed up by statistics... by many different sources..... Does NOT mean its not racist!

Originally posted by long pig

-The GDF libbos.

Just because it's obvious, and true.....and easily backed up by statistics... by many different sources..... Does NOT mean its not racist!

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While it's encouraging that there isn't as much systemic discrimination as some may suspect, I've always thought that it was well established that crime is more a poverty issue. The ratio of blacks in poverty is much higher, and poverty is a notoriously hard cycle to break out of. So it becomes an economic and/or education issue rather than a strictly racial one.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I've heard this parroted several times by various statisticians and politicians, but I'm not an expert.

Originally posted by Digi
While it's encouraging that there isn't as much systemic discrimination as some may suspect, I've always thought that it was well established that crime is more a poverty issue. The ratio of blacks in poverty is much higher, and poverty is a notoriously hard cycle to break out of. So it becomes an economic and/or education issue rather than a strictly racial one.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I've heard this parroted several times by various statisticians and politicians, but I'm not an expert.

It seems to me there is more black crime per capita then white.

Originally posted by Digi
While it's encouraging that there isn't as much systemic discrimination as some may suspect, I've always thought that it was well established that crime is more a poverty issue. The ratio of blacks in poverty is much higher, and poverty is a notoriously hard cycle to break out of. So it becomes an economic and/or education issue rather than a strictly racial one.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I've heard this parroted several times by various statisticians and politicians, but I'm not an expert.

It's not just about poverty, but families as well. Far too many times you have women raising these children without a father in sight.

Now see, even though what I just said is 100% true a part of me feels uneasy saying it because I know some will say it's racist to say that. I feel almost like a black person has to say this shit for it to get through to people. But then the black people who do get called coons and Uncle Tom's by other blacks for this.

Good, good, you're learning.

lol

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You only believe in freedom of expression when it's somone doing it who you agree with. If it's not, you just chant racist.

I am more educated then you. About to be going back to school. You are a Marxists far far left of even Hilary Clinton. Your own personal life doesn't not even represent the persona you try and be online. When is the last time you have supported any minority movement. Do you give your own personal wealth away for your neo progressive beliefs?

I doubt it, you just preach here online and expect us all to fall in line with you, then when we don't you throw insults like you just did at me, and scream racist a bit louder. The term liberal for you would be to far right of where you are at.

You can't even tell the difference between "then" and "than". I'm glad you are trying to better yourself though, good luck with that.

Your perceived feud with me keeps derailing all threads, admittedly, I did answer this time again, but I'll try to ignore your personal attacks from now.

I made that post by accident..clearly as I made it on the other thread..

Originally posted by Surtur
It's not just about poverty, but families as well. Far too many times you have women raising these children without a father in sight.

This is a HUGE part of the problem, I agree. Broken homes are far too commonplace, especially amongst low income black people. This doesn't mean that ONLY/ALL black people have broken homes, however it is a component that needs to be discussed, imo. There are a lot of factors that go into these statistics and this is just one of them.

Of course, part of the reason black females are single parents is due to a racist police system but their are quite a few other factors, as well (poor personal judgement, lack of sexual education, etc.) I wish there was a single reason for it as that'd be easier to fix.

Now see, even though what I just said is 100% true a part of me feels uneasy saying it because I know some will say it's racist to say that. I feel almost like a black person has to say this shit for it to get through to people. But then the black people who do get called coons and Uncle Tom's by other blacks for this.

I'm black and I agree with this part, too. What you said isn't racist in the least. You didn't specify that the entire black race was like this nor did you imply and inferiority/superiority. Unfortunately, as you said, there are some who will feel attacked and respond with "racist." This, of course, will cause you to defend yourself (and possibly insult them back) which will completely stop the REAL conversation that needs to be had on the subject. Nothing will change and, in a few more months, we'll be back to the same spot. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I believe in freedom of expression for anyone. I do not believe in lack of all consequences for what you express. If you say somethings stupid, racist or horrible then other people have the right to point that out.

Somewhat off topic but this is also in general true of how people misinterpret the whole "freedom of speech" thing we have here. In that they think it grants immunity from any type of consequence.

Originally posted by Surtur
Somewhat off topic but this is also in general true of how people misinterpret the whole "freedom of speech" thing we have here. In that they think it grants immunity from any type of consequence.

Yeah, exactly, that's what I was getting at, people seem to think Freedom of Speech is a magical get out jail free card...

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It seems to me there is more black crime per capita then white.

Thats true.

Crime often isn't a racial issue as much as it is a poverty issue, and certain ethnic groups happen to have higher poverty rates.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Crime often isn't a racial issue as much as it is a poverty issue, and certain ethnic groups happen to have higher poverty rates.

This. Which leads us to the bigger question.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Crime often isn't a racial issue as much as it is a poverty issue, and certain ethnic groups happen to have higher poverty rates.

Additionally, crime is also affected by whether or not locals have effective policing- also often tied to poverty rates.

If locals do not feel they can trust police, and/or if the police are likely to not follow up on crimes directed at certain groups, then criminals are more likely to feel they can get away with more, up to and including murder. People without the same level of police protection get murdered more, to the surprise of no-one, is one way of describing it.

Though, on the racial issue, there is the matter that conviction rates and sentencing for the same crimes often break on racial lines. Marijuana will rarely get white people arrested, but will often get black people arrested- even though white people use more.

I have to ask this though..people don't actually feel that living in poverty is a valid excuse to commit a crime right? I just want it to be clear that poverty might be one cause, but it is not an excuse.

it is a mix of poverty, urban decay and a thriving gang culture which makes the crime rates so high... basically gangs become the most profitable industry in the hood. as such, they rule over their territory through terror and violence. cooperation with the police is severely punished by gangs, making police work very ineffective and restricted in some communities. you talk about locals not trusting the police... how can you convince a resident of west baltimore to trust that the police will be able to protect them from retribution if they act as an informant/witness? they would be stupid to do so. it's literally impossible to offer any real protection to people in the hood from gangs without systematically wiping out said gangs.

another unique situation with the black community in america is that there was a flight of the black middle class from traditionally black neighborhoods in the post-segregation era. essentially gutting the economic backbone of said communities and leaving the remaining residents with very bleak prospects. this is how communities like harlem and the southside of chicago, which were once thriving black communities and centers of black art and culture, turned into crime ridden ganglands filled with run down housing projects