It was about selling war bonds and it's probably best not to blanket Superman on his 1940's WWII add writers, as rampant racism towards the Japanese was the norm back then. Ask any living Japanese-American that had to spend time in one of the internment camps; for a short amount of time, they arguably had it worse than black people living in that time. Superman like most things long standing has evolved with society.
Glad my pic could inspire some...discussion. Didn't mean it as anything other than a curiosity, of course. Superman's super-dickery back then was also well established. I tend not to take my moral cues from fictional characters, at any rate.
Originally posted by Star428
Look, I love Superman and all as anyone can see by my avatar. He's the greatest of all super-heroes but that's what's known as "P-I-S" in comic books. Plot-Induced-Stupidity. That comic was also written at a time when the world was a Hell of a lot safer than it is today and we didn't have to worry about a certain group of people infiltrating the country and chopping our heads off in the name of a fake God called "Allah".
I must have missed this incident in the din of all the mass shootings by non-Muslim American citizens. Strange, too. Seems like spies chopping off heads in our country would make the news.
Also, by all statistics I've seen - which is quite a few on this particular topic - the US really is a lot safer than it was 50 years ago. Per capita, at least. Crime is lower than ever, even including the seemingly epidemic rate of mass shootings. And when in our history haven't we had an enemy that could have presumably sent spies into our midst? A cursory perusal of history will provide ample suitors for the role. Fear, however, is rarely slave to logic.
Originally posted by Robtard
It was about selling war bonds and it's probably best not to blanket Superman on his 1940's WWII add writers, as rampant racism towards the Japanese was the norm back then. Ask any living Japanese-American that had to spend time in one of the internment camps; for a short amount of time, they arguably had it worse than black people living in that time. Superman like most things long standing has evolved with society.
Which is again why it's not best to use him for racial tolerance.
If it was a scan of post crisis Superman it'd be one thing. The guy seems to be actually *cradling* an Asian in that picture with his one hand. Probably the same hand he envisioned himself slapping Japs via warbonds with.
Though on a serious note I have seen people claim a majority of Americans are racist.
Originally posted by dadudemoni'm not necessarily disagreeing with your point about culture... and this might sound racist... but part of me can't help but want to point out that a lot of sub saharan african countries are plagued with crime and violence.
I used to think the same things you did. Until I did a bit more research and threw out the idea that poverty and education were the problem.Latinos are poorer, on average, than the blacks. They are less educated, too.
Yet, they commit far less crimes than blacks.
Crazy, right? That goes against everything our liberal agendas and data tells us.
We social liberals, people like you and I, need to start swallowing the hard pill. There is a black crime problem in the US. And it is a cultural issue. There's no reason or need to candy-coat things. Liberals are afraid to say things like this. Well, too bad! It's a problem.
I am positive that it is a cultural issue. It is NOT a black race issue. Racists will latch onto my words, in this forum, and pretend their racism against black people is justified. I don't want that. So let's put a stop to that right now. Here's why it is not a race issue: sub-saharan African immigrants are far far far less likely to get involved in crime than even white people. Why? Because they bring different culture with them to the US. They do not associate themselves as being "African American." They are African immigrants.
https://reason.com/archives/2014/07/11/immigrants-are-less-criminal-than-native
So we can't blame it on race. Plenty of ethnically sub-Saharan Africans, who come to the US, are very good law-abiding citizens: better than the majority white population. So how do we explain the very disproportionate black violent crime? Culture. Or, rather, subculture. Black American subculture is the primary problem.
We can tackle poverty, education, and try to increase trust for the government in the African American community. Those things definitely help and I've posted research that supports that, before, in another discussion. But that solution package is not a magic bullet. We have to change the culture, too. Perhaps getting more education and income will help? Perhaps. Perhaps that is how we change the culture.
TL - DR: racists who try to use statistics to support the idea that black people are a criminal race just don't understand the statistics. Quite literally, African immigrants are better citizens than white people, in the US. Clearly, it is not a race problem, it is a cultural problem with African Americans.
Now, can this topic be put to bed? Are both sides satisfied? Seems this topic comes up in the GDF quite often.
of course... it's a huge subcontinent and so i don't want to paint with too broad a brush, especially since i don't know particularly where most of these immigrants you cite come from
but it is a bit odd... the idea that the african immigrants in america draw on a more peaceful culture in africa than their african american counterparts, given the fact that even the worst american ghetto can't hold a candle to an african slum.
why don't the africans in africa have this same culture that the immigrants do? clearly to me there is something related between economics and culture... in economically deprived africa the african culture(s) are fairly violent... in economically prosperous america these same cultures are peaceful.
maybe when it comes to the link between crime and poverty, it isn't just about poverty but income disparities... having poor/unskilled youths in close proximity to a lot of very wealthy people. basically creating the environment in which a strong incentive towards crime can manifest.
Originally posted by Omega Visionsure, but Black & Hispanic countries happen to be both poor and full of crime. At some point it's like the people who claim guns cause crime.
Crime often isn't a racial issue as much as it is a poverty issue, and certain ethnic groups happen to have higher poverty rates.
Originally posted by red g jacks
well for me it was sort of because ddm phrased it as "its not racial its cultural" and so i didn't want to give the impression that i was saying "no, it's racial". maybe a bit paranoid on my part.
It seems DDM's post could be summed up by saying "it's not black people in general, just the ones born in America".
Originally posted by Star428What do you like about Superman?
Look, I love Superman and all as anyone can see by my avatar. He's the greatest of all super-heroes but that's what's known as "P-I-S" in comic books. Plot-Induced-Stupidity. That comic was also written at a time when the world was a Hell of a lot safer than it is today and we didn't have to worry about a certain group of people infiltrating the country and chopping our heads off in the name of a fake God called "Allah".
I'm not Star, but I find that a lot of people tend to dislike Superman for the same reasons. They say he is boring or too much of a boy scout or too powerful. But those are just symptoms of when a person doesn't know how to correctly write the character.
Originally posted by Peace Keeper
Pretty much anywhere on earth with a lot of blacks per capita is crime ridden.
Perhaps, but I think attitude also comes into it. It seems here there is almost this pressure to be "hard". Since apparently when you have blacks who come here from other countries they tend to be better citizens then the ones born here.
Originally posted by Surtur
It seems DDM's post could be summed up by saying "it's not black people in general, just the ones born in America".
see responses such as:
Originally posted by Peace Keeper
Pretty much anywhere on earth with a lot of blacks per capita is crime ridden.
for why i threw in the "im not trying to be racist" disclaimer. 😉
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not Star, but I find that a lot of people tend to dislike Superman for the same reasons. They say he is boring or too much of a boy scout or too powerful. But those are just symptoms of when a person doesn't know how to correctly write the character.Perhaps, but I think attitude also comes into it. It seems here there is almost this pressure to be "hard". Since apparently when you have blacks who come here from other countries they tend to be better citizens then the ones born here.
Or they don't read the comics. Or the last Superman they were exposed to was Reeve.
Originally posted by Peace Keeper
Pretty much anywhere on earth with a lot of blacks per capita is crime ridden.
Canada has a ton of black people, last I checked. I don't think their crime figures are quite as bad as America's. Please correct me if i'm wrong though.
Clark being a "boy scout" and a farm boy is one of the primary reasons I like him so much. Then there's the fact that he is so much more inspiring to me than any other super hero by far. I love the movie Superman because of the recurring theme throughout all of them of him being a "Christ-like" figure. A "savior" as Lois called him in Returns. Bet not everyone knows that his teenage creators, Siegel and Shuster, were Jewish. 🙂
I love the comics Superman and tv show Smallville Clark (which I'm currently enjoying watching all the seasons again) just as much if not more than the movie version though.