Warcraft (2016)

Started by Zack M44 pages

Is this true, guys?

Rule of thumb. Production budget x 2 = in the black.

Not correct and out of date. It used to be that the rule of thumb was 2.5 x production budget = break even point.

That is probably no longer feasible as more & more money comes from the foreign grosses where the amount that is returned to studio varies enormously. China, for example, only returns 25%.

Some territories are entirely pre-sold because the region is so notoriously corrupt that the studios don't want to deal with attempting to get what was promised so they simply take a few million dollars (if even that) for a film that goes on to gross, say, $30 million (and those are estimates by outside sources and not the cinemas themselves).

But one of the biggest areas of inflation is the marketing budgets as the studios have come to depend even more on these "tentpoles" covering losses on other films so they spend more to ensure that success. The old 2.5 x prod. budget took into account what was the typical marketing budget for films of the 80s. But these days, it's not uncommon for a film to have a marketing (which yes includes advertising) budget of around $100M alone.

Warcraft has an estimated production budget of $160M (could easily be $200M). It and Jason Bourne are the only big tentpoles for Universal this summer (Central Intelligence is a co-production with WB) and hence the the marketing budget is probably at least $75M. That's $235 and with the old 2.5X method means that Warcraft needs to get to $587.5M to break even.
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And per Deadline:

The bigger play for this $160M production +$110M P&A vehicle is overseas. Global B.O. currently stands at $286.1M with 55% coming from China. Industry sources tell Deadline that breakeven is at $500M worldwide.

Originally posted by Robtard
It cost 160m to make, it's at 415ish now. So really only needs to make 65m more to hit 3x the budget in returns. Even if it stops making money today, it turned a profit.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=warcraft.htm

Where's it said it has to make 500m to break even?

See my last quote, Rob!

If that's true, then a lot of films are far less profitable than imagined.

I do question the "100m marketing budget" claim, sure for some films, but as a standard? Nah.

If you believe it's true then prove it.

Originally posted by Robtard
If that's true, then a lot of films are far less profitable than imagined.

I do question the "100m marketing budget" claim, sure for some films, but as a standard? Nah.

What do you make of this website?

http://www.pajiba.com/box_office_round-ups/10-movies-that-made-hundreds-of-millions-in-boxoffice-dollars-and-yet-somehow-showed-no-profit.php

Originally posted by Zack M
What do you make of this website?

http://www.pajiba.com/box_office_round-ups/10-movies-that-made-hundreds-of-millions-in-boxoffice-dollars-and-yet-somehow-showed-no-profit.php

Right off the bat, I'm leery of pajiba.

Just scanning through, some of those claims are really hard to believe, it's not like studios are in the business of losing money, if they were, they'd be out of business and some of those films listed are known mega blockbusters.

But I've also not looked deeply into any of them, so I can't confirm of deny as fact.

Originally posted by Robtard
Right off the bat, I'm leery of pajiba.

Just scanning through, some of those claims are really hard to believe, it's not like studios are in the business of losing money, if they did, they'd be out of business.

But I've also not looked deeply into any of them, so I can't confirm of deny as fact.

Yeah, but isn't there just a handful of studios now? Small ones back in the 80's or 90's just merged with the bigger ones. Like Dimension/WB.

That still doesn't mean that the bigger studios would continuously taking huge risks despite the history of losing through their asses on these big budget films. Common sense how I wish it were more common.

This movie was a strange experience for me. I've been playing WoW for 12 years off and on now, I've played Warcraft 3, and I'm familiar with the story in the previous games. I'm a fan of the games.

As a result, even though I did think this movie was pretty poor in a lot of ways - the costumes and sets looked really phony to me, like cosplay or something, and some of the casting/acting was really bad, I still enjoyed it despite that. It was fun and the orc stuff was really well done.

I do hope they make more of them, I'd love to see Arthas' story on the big screen.

Originally posted by Zack M
Is this true, guys?

And per Deadline:

I doubt BvS would break even using those type of calculations. Given BvS would have gone way north of $100million on marketing.

I'll stick to my own "if it grosses triple its budget at the box office its profitable". As that's what seems to grant Hollywood sequels.

Originally posted by BackFire
I'd love to see Arthas' story on the big screen.

Same here.

Replaying Reign of Chaos now.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Warcraft 66.1% drop off
30% and 80% at RT
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/warcraft/
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=warcraft.htm

Batman v Superman 69.3% drop off
27% and 66% at RT
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=superman2015.htm

Bad comparison. A high % drop is much more likely when a film opens with big numbers.

WC's % drop after such a low opening just has failure written all over it. It's only being saved by its International numbers.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Does anyone else find it sad that Zack is comparing BvS' entire run to Warcraft's what? 2 weeks of being out?

Warcraft has literally Zero chance of catching upto BvS. Or even getting the same % Return on its budget.

😂

He is only saying it's a bad comparison because BvS had a larger drop off and lower critic and GA scores.

Both were highly frontloaded.

No shit it is being saved by international numbers just like Pacific rim. I'm not only at wanting a sequel. I don't select my preferences based off box office like Golgo.

Hopefully the next movie will break even. Crosses fingers.

The next movie will also be better than BvS.

😂 Such sore losers here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

😂

I get its hard for some fanboys to understand how I could have a Marvel picture yet reasonably defend a DC film as well.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He is only saying it's a bad comparison because BvS had a larger drop off and lower critic and GA scores.

Nah I'm telling you how it is.

You're comparing audience scores when hardly anyone has even seen Warcraft (as proven by its domestic gross).

I get that you have an Agenda against DC, but come on, comparing its success to Warcrafts is getting a bit ridiculous.