Originally posted by Silent Master
Here is me asking if you're aware that they are the same person.Here is you claiming that they aren't the same person.
The big clue for you clueless was the part where I said ON THIS FORUM no they aren't. Which very clearly means, if somebody says FA Cap, that is the only Cap that exists for the purposes of that thread. No other Cap exists.
Would you like a mod ruling on this?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You posted zero quotes where I claimed they were different. The quote you keep quoting has to do with no they aren't the same on this forum. If somebody specifies FA... then those are the ONLY feats you can use. The other movies might as well not exist. They might as well be a totally different character. It was very clear what I was saying, as I've kept on saying the same thing. Now answer my question
Originally posted by KingD19
The whole point is that Cap has been the same through all the movies. He just performed different feats in them. There's been no mention of a boost, or upgrade, or alteration to his powers, so the only conclusion is that he's simply doing more as time goes on.Would you say Beatrix Kiddo couldn't do the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart technique in Kill Bill 1 since she only did it in 2? Despite it being made very clear Pai Mei taught her the technique far before the events of the movie even happened?
Irrelevant. Would you also like a mod ruling on this? It doesn't matter what you believe to be so. If a OP SPECIFICALLY WANTS TO USE THE FEATS FROM ONE PARTICULAR MOVIE AND EXCLUDE ALL OTHERS... ARE YOU CLAIMING HE CAN'T DO THAT AND ALL FEATS ARE ALLLOWED REGARDLESS? Is that your claim? I don't care what you believe or what I believe.. What I'm asking you is... can a OP specify which feats he wants used or not?
Never mind the fact that even in real life people are the same. Do you think the Manny Pac of the Morales fight is the same Manny Pac of the Hatton fight? They are the same person, he didn't get cloned or taken by aliens, nobody is claiming he different. Yet, he's a very different fighter. So on boxing threads (which you clearly never visited) If I say Manny Pac from Morales 1 vs. Floyd from Castillo.. you don't think I'm specifically looking for a Manny at this skill level at this point in time vs. Floyd with the same criteria? really? Do you honestly not understand the difference.
Where was this adherence to only sticking to the specific movies' feats when, in the Captain America vs Logan thread a while back, you literally tried to make up feats for Logan, based on what you personally felt must have happened off screen in between The Wolverine and DoFP? Seems you want certain characters to only be limited to the feats you want at any given time, but for other characters you want to be allowed to interpret and make assumptions as you please.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Where was this adherence to only sticking to the specific movies' feats when, in the Captain America vs Logan thread a while back, you literally tried to make up feats for Logan, based on what you personally felt must have happened off screen in between The Wolverine and DoFP? Seems you want certain characters to only be limited to the feats you want at any given time, but for other characters you want to be allowed to interpret and make assumptions as you please.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He can beat both solo, but I don't see him taking both on at once and winning. Bucky was matching Steve virtually move for move in both their encounters. Some people say Steve held back during their second fight, but he had no idea who WS was during their first encounter, and he didn't have any easier time there either.
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cap gets taken down, hard
don't care what youthink you say about cap holding back against buck boy because as Vault stated earlier he was having a hard time before knowing WS was Bucky
bucky is Par with cap and Ozy is the perfect tag team partner to help blind side Cap and beat his skull in with his own shield
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWhy should anyone respect such a stupid, arbitrary distinction? There's no difference, and if the OP wants to pretend that there's a difference he's being a douchebag.
I very much understand the point he's making, but it's irrelevant to the discussion. I never claimed they were two different characters. The point is, if I specify FA Cap, then the OP guidelines must be respected.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Where was this adherence to only sticking to the specific movies' feats when, in the Captain America vs Logan thread a while back, you literally tried to make up feats for Logan, based on what you personally felt must have happened off screen in between The Wolverine and DoFP? Seems you want certain characters to only be limited to the feats you want at any given time, but for other characters you want to be allowed to interpret and make assumptions as you please.
Negative buddy, and you know better is the point. In the very thread you mentioned, it was simply Wolverine vs. _____ . In those instances, you can use whatever Wolverine feats you want, as it was never specified WHICH Wolverine. However, when the OP specifies WHICH Wolverine he wants used, then no, not all feats apply. You've been around here long enough to know this. Are you claiming that if I say FA Cap vs. Ozy is the same as me saying Cap vs. Ozy.. are you actually claiming there is no difference between the two threads?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why should anyone respect such a stupid, arbitrary distinction? There's no difference, and if the OP wants to pretend that there's a difference he's being a douchebag.
So if a OP makes a thread of
FA Cap vs. Ozy
or
Cap vs. Ozy
You see those threads as exactly the same thing?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Where was this adherence to only sticking to the specific movies' feats when, in the Captain America vs Logan thread a while back, you literally tried to make up feats for Logan, based on what you personally felt must have happened off screen in between The Wolverine and DoFP? Seems you want certain characters to only be limited to the feats you want at any given time, but for other characters you want to be allowed to interpret and make assumptions as you please.
Yup, I remember that.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So if a OP makes a thread ofFA Cap vs. Ozy
or
Cap vs. Ozy
You see those threads as exactly the same thing?
OP never made the distinction. You're just assuming/telling us he did, yet ignoring that the only Captain America movie he could have used at the time was FA. When it's just one movie, he's not making a distinction which movie it is, he's stating the name of the movie.
He didn't make the distinction between Sin City Marv and A Dame to Kill For Marv...because ONLY Sin City existed at the time.
Originally posted by KingD19
OP never made the distinction. You're just assuming/telling us he did, yet ignoring that the only Captain America movie he could have used at the time was FA. When it's just one movie, he's not making a distinction which movie it is, he's stating the name of the movie.He didn't make the distinction between Sin City Marv and A Dame to Kill For Marv...because ONLY Sin City existed at the time.
Incorrect, YOU are the only person here assuming anything. He flat out says in the OP which CAP he's using does he not? He SPECIFICALLY and without and ambiguity says.. FA Cap. Period. You are the one then extrapolating from that, not me. YOU'RE the one going well.... That was the only movie made at the time.. thus he's likely wanting to include all Cap's feats. Is that not you who's is extrapolating that in order for your premise to be correct? I need to extrapolate nothing, not a single thing. I'm going by EXACTLY what the OP says, he says it's FA Cap. That is the Cap I'm using. In order to believe he meant all Cap's, that would be YOU assuming such. Now either back up your claim or concede who's doing the assuming here. Again, you didn't answer my question... Are those threads the same in the example I used?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Negative buddy, and you know better is the point. In the very thread you mentioned, it was simply Wolverine vs. _____ . In those instances, you can use whatever Wolverine feats you want, as it was never specified WHICH Wolverine. However, when the OP specifies WHICH Wolverine he wants used, then no, not all feats apply. You've been around here long enough to know this. Are you claiming that if I say FA Cap vs. Ozy is the same as me saying Cap vs. Ozy.. are you actually claiming there is no difference between the two threads?
So straight up lying now as well? It was Captain America VS Wolverine and you tried to claim that Wolverine fought and killed MULTIPLE future sentinels, based on your personal speculation on what happened between The Wolverine and DoFP. I can link the thread if you really want to go there, but you shouldn't if you want to save yourself some embarrassment. And you didn't just use his feats in anyways. You fabricated some.
And LOL at you trying to flip the argument because you got pushed in a corner. Where did I make ANY claims here? All I am doing is showing your double standards. You will discard feats when it suits you and find excuses, like in Marv vs Cap, or like the time you tried to write off the Cap VS Ultron fight as PIS (I remember because I facepalmed hard), but literally want feats you dreamed up to be counted as evidence in matches.