Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIf a mod rules that you're right, it doesn't make you right. It just makes the mod a dumbass.
The big clue for you clueless was the part where I said ON THIS FORUM no they aren't. Which very clearly means, if somebody says FA Cap, that is the only Cap that exists for the purposes of that thread. No other Cap exists.Would you like a mod ruling on this?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So straight up lying now as well? It was Captain America VS Wolverine and you tried to claim that Wolverine fought and killed MULTIPLE future sentinels, based on your personal speculation on what happened between The Wolverine and DoFP. I can link the thread if you really want to go there, but you shouldn't if you want to save yourself some embarrassment. And you didn't just use his feats in anyways. You fabricated some.And LOL at you trying to flip the argument because you got pushed in a corner. Where did I make ANY claims here? All I am doing is showing your double standards. You will discard feats when it suits you and find excuses, like in Marv vs Cap, or like the time you tried to write off the Cap VS Ultron fight as PIS (I remember because I facepalmed hard), but literally want feats you dreamed up to be counted as evidence in matches.
Red Herring much Vault? You're claiming two ENTIRELY different things. The argument HERE is whether a OP which states FA CAP vs. Ozy is the same as somebody who makes the thread Cap vs. Ozy. THAT and THAT alone is the argument. Your wolverine stance and whatever speculation I might have used, has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. You claim, this is what happens when I get backed into a corner, when in fact, this is what happens when YOU get backed into a corner. One has literally NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. If find a thread where I discard the OP and use all of somebody's feats and claim that is okay.. yet here I'm saying it's not.. THEN you'd have a double standard. Instead, in your desperation you tried to find somebody totally unrelated to the discussion at hand, because you can't win the discussion at hand on your own merit.
BTW, at which point did I deny anything about that thread in question. I never said I didn't use some speculation in re: Sentinels and Wolverine. Show me where I said I didn't? The fact is, I used much more facts than any speculation, and trying to make it seem otherwise is blatantly being disingenuous.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Not to worry, There is no way a mod will actually rule that FA Cap and Avengers Cap are two completely different characters.
You're a moron. I never said they are two completely different characters. The mod ruling would be about what you're disagreeing with... Which is, if a OP states FA Cap... your claim is that all of Cap feats from all movies count. Which by default is incorrect and goes against the OP. That is what the ruling would be on. Absolutely nothing about this made up red herring you've gone on about how you think I said they are two different characters, when at no point did I say that. All I said was, if somebody specifies FA Cap, than all other Cap movies might as well not exists and he might as well be a different character. Those feats are null and void. However, you're to stupid to grasp that. Actually you're not too dumb, you just lost the argument at hand, and have nothing to back up your stance, so you decide to grasp at whatever straw you can to get away from you losing the original discussion.
You taking an out of context quote which doesn't mean what you say it means, tells us what? It tells us nothing. I never, not once made the claim they were two different characters in a general sense. What I did claim, and the quote you keep referring to said is.... IF a OP states FA Cap.. then those other Cap movies might as well not exist or be different characters entirely. They are applicable to that thread. Call them different... say they don't exist.. I could care less. But they are inadmissible for a thread which specifies which Cap is being used. I've said this over and over again. If you come back and say I made the claim that they are two different characters in a general sense.. then... I can't deal with that level of stupidity and blatant lying. I'll simply put you on ignore. Something many others have done, and I probably should've a long time ago with your lying and trolling, but it was amusing sometimes. However, if you're to keep misrepresenting what I was saying... nah... We'll just save us both trouble and I'll put you on ignore.
I wasn't referring to your question at all. I was saying they AREN'T the same character for purposes of this thread. If said the same thing over and over again. Stop acting like I didn't make my stance perfectly clear. I've said, now 10 times, what the context of the quote refers to. It has nothing to do with them being different characters in a general sense. I was referring to the fact, that if a OP states FA Cap, then yes WS and AOU Cap either don't exist or are entirely different characters for the purposes OF THAT THREAD. I don't care which you choose, but they can't be used. Period. As I said, I've corrected the context you keep missing like 10 times now. Instead of accepting what I've said over and over, you keep repeating a view I've never had nor expressed. Even if you were confused on what I meant before, I've now clarified, what was meant. So why wouldn't that end the discussion? Instead, you've lost the original discussion, and now need to continuing repeat a view I've never had and corrected you on. Why?: Because you lost the other argument. As I stated. Repeat again that I feel they are two different characters in a general sense. That's all I care about. Repeat that, and we'll both be saved trouble. However, I'm not going to tolerate you keep repeating a stance I never expressed and took what I said out of context. It's that simple. I won't stand for that.
Here is me asking if you're aware that FA and AOU Cap are the same person.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You realize that First Avenger Cap and AOU Cap are the same person, right?
Here is you stating that they aren't the same person. you setting feat restrictions doesn't magically make them different characters.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
[B]Not on this forum they aren't. If the OP states Cap from FA.. than only his feats count. Which is EXACTLY why we specify which movie we are using. So no, if I say FA Cap vs. Ozy.. that doesn't mean you get to use feats from AOU... are you claiming you can?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Red Herring much Vault? You're claiming two ENTIRELY different things. The argument HERE is whether a OP which states FA CAP vs. Ozy is the same as somebody who makes the thread Cap vs. Ozy. THAT and THAT alone is the argument. Your wolverine stance and whatever speculation I might have used, has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. You claim, this is what happens when I get backed into a corner, when in fact, this is what happens when YOU get backed into a corner. One has literally NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. If find a thread where I discard the OP and use all of somebody's feats and claim that is okay.. yet here I'm saying it's not.. THEN you'd have a double standard. Instead, in your desperation you tried to find somebody totally unrelated to the discussion at hand, because you can't win the discussion at hand on your own merit.BTW, at which point did I deny anything about that thread in question. I never said I didn't use some speculation in re: Sentinels and Wolverine. Show me where I said I didn't? The fact is, I used much more facts than any speculation, and trying to make it seem otherwise is blatantly being disingenuous.
You literally said it was in a different thread. That's a lie. LOL at you using fact.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=611757&pagenumber=3
You said that because he survived that long he must have killed a bunch of them. By that logic, so did Kitty, Xavier, Colossus, Magneto, Ice Man, Warpath, Sunspot and Blink. In which case the Sentinels would not have been a threat at all.
Where did I post in this thread about versions of Cap? You might be discussing TFA Cap vs Ozy compared to Cap vs Ozy with others, but I am not. I am questioning your credibility as a poster when it comes to these things, because you want your personal opinions to be accepted as fact, as seen in other threads. You wanted the Cap vs Ultron fight to be mostly ignored because YOU feel it was PIS. You want to claim Logan beat future sentinels, because YOU feel he must have done so, off screen. You aren't even on topic here, because you have hardly addressed your own OP, despite multiple posts. I honestly think you just made this topic purely for the sake of stirring up needless crap.
Also, if you continue to act like making a new Cap vs Ozy thread, after all the films are out, and with clearly specified limits, is the same as a 4-year-old thread which predates many of the films, with a missing starter, and no clear statement in the OP saying TFA feats "only", you shouldn't be surprised if people don't take you seriously, or flat out ignore you. Because those two scenarios are vastly different. For all we know, the OP could still come back at some point and say he wants the other films to be included now, where as with your scenario Cap has very clearly been limited to one film out of many.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerTo be fair the OP could also come in and say the only TFA feats are usable.
Also, if you continue to act like making a new Cap vs Ozy thread, after all the films are out, and with clearly specified limits, is the same as a 4-year-old thread which predates many of the films, with a missing starter, and no clear statement in the OP saying TFA feats "only", you shouldn't be surprised if people don't take you seriously, or flat out ignore you. Because those two scenarios are vastly different. For all we know, the OP could still come back at some point and say he wants the other films to be included now, where as with your scenario Cap has very clearly been limited to one film out of many.
Also why does that have anything to do with this thread? It is pretty clear this is a continuation of a debate in another thread.
I never said otherwise. Point is one scenario was vague and needed Mod's input. The other scenario very clearly defines parameters with which existing films are to be used or not.
Because even the OP has not been on topic here, because this is a non-thread (the team obviously wins).
How many posts have actually been on topic, and how many of those were by KT?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Also, if you continue to act like making a new Cap vs Ozy thread, after all the films are out, and with clearly specified limits, is the same as a 4-year-old thread which predates many of the films, with a missing starter, and no clear statement in the OP saying TFA feats "only", you shouldn't be surprised if people don't take you seriously, or flat out ignore you. Because those two scenarios are vastly different. For all we know, the OP could still come back at some point and say he wants the other films to be included now, where as with your scenario Cap has very clearly been limited to one film out of many.
Point me to any place where I said such a thing. I never claimed those instances were the same. Not once. They aren't exactly the same, but the overriding principal is the same. If the OP states FA Cap, that is the Cap we're using. Period, end of story. He specifically and with ambiguity mentioned which Cap he wanted used. I don't care that it was a 4 year old thread and he could've wanted more of Cap's feats used. Maybe he would. However, that requires speculation and proof to back up said claim, which as of now, you have yet to produce. You have zero idea what his intent is now that more movies are out. So in the absence of him clarifying, we literally have zero choice but to go with exactly what he said. FA CAP. If I make a thread saying FA Cap, by no means do I need to say only his feats from that movie count. It's beyond idiotic to think that is required. By saying FA CAP, that IS what it already means. That is WHAT happens when you specify a specific movie for a character. If you wanted all Cap movie feats to count.. you'd simply say Cap... as we routinely see all the time. So let me just understand your logic, or in the case, stupidity. You believe that
FA Cap vs. Ozy
and
Cap vs. Ozy
Mean the exact same thing... that both threads mean all Cap's feats can be used. A simply yes or no.