Aizen wins. It's not always about destructive force. Raditz will still fight in character and in character, he isn't starting the fight off with a moon buster. Ain't happening. I don't think it will happen period. With that said, Aizen takes this due to versatility and output along with being physically stronger.
Originally posted by carver9
Aizen wins. It's not always about destructive force. Raditz will still fight in character and in character, he isn't starting the fight off with a moon buster. Ain't happening. I don't think it will happen period. With that said, Aizen takes this due to versatility and output along with being physically stronger.
Physically Stronger?
What the ****?
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
In character, Raditz loses. Go back and watch his first encounter with Piccolo. He sat there and let Piccolo blast him. In character Raditz would definitely let Aizen use his shikai.
So? We've seen in Bleach MANY TIMES that attacks which rely on reiatsu only work on enemies who are near the power of the attacker, or weaker than them.
Which is why Soi Fon's shikai didn't do anything to Aizen, when it should have killed him.
Plus, when Aizen's sword comes into contact with your body, the illusion is broke. Radditz is a good enough fighter to realize this, once Aizen's sword clangs on Radditz's skin a few times. That is, assuming it doesn't break, since Radditz is so durable that Aizen wouldn't be able to put a scratch on him in the first place.
The most he could hope to do is hypnotize Radditz, while he nukes the entire area, and kills Aizen anyway. Then the hypnosis is broke. There, Radditz wins.
Aizen would literally not be able to do a single thing here.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
So? We've seen in Bleach MANY TIMES that attacks which rely on reiatsu only work on enemies who are near the power of the attacker, or weaker than them.Which is why Soi Fon's shikai didn't do anything to Aizen, when it should have killed him.
Plus, when Aizen's sword comes into contact with your body, the illusion is broke. Radditz is a good enough fighter to realize this, once Aizen's sword clangs on Radditz's skin a few times. That is, assuming it doesn't break, since Radditz is so durable that Aizen wouldn't be able to put a scratch on him in the first place.
The most he could hope to do is hypnotize Radditz, while he nukes the entire area, and kills Aizen anyway. Then the hypnosis is broke. There, Radditz wins.
Aizen would literally not be able to do a single thing here.
Aizen's shikai has no such restriction. The proof can be found in the fact that Former Head Captain Yammamoto, despite having superior Reitsu, was, like every other captain, succumbed to kyoka suigetsu's effects just fine. As did Yhwach come to think of it and that's despite being chained down to a chair to the point that he couldn't even move a finger.
I don't know about the illusion being broken when the sword comes into direct contact with one's body. When did this happen?
If he hypnotizes Raditz, he can have Raditz fly off into space (believing he's chasing after Aizen) and kill himself via lack of oxygen. He can have Raditz stand their motionless believing he's already won and then finish the prideful Saiyan off at his leisure.
In-character Raditz hasn't a chance. He'll check Aizen's "power-level" and then just stand there and let him do his thing no different than he did with Piccolo and Goku. In-character Raditz is beyond dumb.
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Aizen's shikai has no such restriction. The proof can be found in the fact that Former Head Captain Yammamoto, despite having superior Reitsu, was, like every other captain, succumbed to kyoka suigetsu's effects just fine. As did Yhwach come to think of it and that's despite being chained down to a chair to the point that he couldn't even move a finger.I don't know about the illusion being broken when the sword comes into direct contact with one's body. When did this happen?
If he hypnotizes Raditz, he can have Raditz fly off into space (believing he's chasing after Aizen) and kill himself via lack of oxygen. He can have Raditz stand their motionless believing he's already won and then finish the prideful Saiyan off at his leisure.
In-character Raditz hasn't a chance. He'll check Aizen's "power-level" and then just stand there and let him do his thing no different than he did with Piccolo and Goku. In-character Raditz is beyond dumb.
aizen is more than capable of fooling raditz. He was able to fool the whole soul society for hundreds of years. raditz shouldnt be a problem
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Aizen's shikai has no such restriction. The proof can be found in the fact that Former Head Captain Yammamoto, despite having superior Reitsu, was, like every other captain, succumbed to kyoka suigetsu's effects just fine. As did Yhwach come to think of it and that's despite being chained down to a chair to the point that he couldn't even move a finger.I don't know about the illusion being broken when the sword comes into direct contact with one's body. When did this happen?
If he hypnotizes Raditz, he can have Raditz fly off into space (believing he's chasing after Aizen) and kill himself via lack of oxygen. He can have Raditz stand their motionless believing he's already won and then finish the prideful Saiyan off at his leisure.
In-character Raditz hasn't a chance. He'll check Aizen's "power-level" and then just stand there and let him do his thing no different than he did with Piccolo and Goku. In-character Raditz is beyond dumb.
1. First off, the statement was not just for Soifon's shikai. It was for ALL sword abilities in general, in Bleach. The statement was made by Aizen himself.
He explicitly states that in a battle of reiatsu, if one is large enough, it can "suppress" the ENTIRE ability.
2. The reason Yamamoto couldn't break out of it, or suppress it, was simply that he wasn't strong enough. The difference between Aizen and Soifon was MUCH larger than the difference between Aizen and Yamamoto, who were arguably peers in strength.
The point is that if a character could be one-shotted by another, it is usually accepted that the weaker of the two couldn't hurt the other, even with any special abilities they might have. At least when it comes to Bleach/Zanpaktou.
3. Then finish him off? Aizen doesn't have any attacks capable of SCRATCHING Radditz, let alone finishing him. And if he had Radditz fly into outer space, he'd be out of range of his shikai. Meaning Radditz would simply U-turn, and nuke the continent they're on.
4. It doesn't matter how dumb Radditz is. He is dumb for a reason. There is not a SINGLE thing that Aizen could do to hurt Radditz, let alone kill him. None of his attacks are potent enough to kill someone that can TANK MOON BUSTING ATTACKS without even flinching.
So, to recap, Radditz would simply flare some ki and break out of Aizen's kyoka, and then proceed to rofl-stomp him, before ripping his spine out, or some other Saiyan brutality. 👆
Originally posted by yungz22
aizen is more than capable of fooling raditz. He was able to fool the whole soul society for hundreds of years. raditz shouldnt be a problem
No one is saying he wouldn't be able to fool Radditz. What I'm saying is that he has literally no way of harming him, let alone defeating him. While Radditz can simply power through all of his attacks, including Kyoka. And then Radditz has moon+ attacks, capable of one-shotting the entirety of Bleach as a whole.
And yes, Aizen could fool Radditz into drowning himself, but that's suggesting Kyoka will work on him in the first place.
And as we've seen DOZENS of times in Bleach, a vastly superior energy will negate any damage from a vastly weaker one. Meaning that Radditz, who is vastly stronger than ANYONE we've seen in all of Bleach, would simply shrug Kyoka off. 👆
Just like Aizen did to Suzumebachi, and just like Kenpachi did to Zangetsu. 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
No one is saying he wouldn't be able to fool Radditz. What I'm saying is that he has literally no way of harming him, let alone defeating him. While Radditz can simply power through all of his attacks, including Kyoka. And then Radditz has moon+ attacks, capable of one-shotting the entirety of Bleach as a whole.And yes, Aizen could fool Radditz into drowning himself, but that's suggesting Kyoka will work on him in the first place.
And as we've seen DOZENS of times in Bleach, a vastly superior energy will negate any damage from a vastly weaker one. Meaning that Radditz, who is vastly stronger than ANYONE we've seen in all of Bleach, would simply shrug Kyoka off. 👆
Just like Aizen did to Suzumebachi, and just like Kenpachi did to Zangetsu. 👆
show me an instance where kyoka was powered out of