Odin(Dc) VS Odin(Marvel) · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

BeyonderGod Omnipotent

Lol I need to see a scans from both I know Odin from Marvel.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Juntai
He just did it.
That's actually carried over from a 1980s JSA story The Last Days of the Justice Society to remove them from the DCU until they were written back in later where Waverider saved them from that universe.

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*This was also the story which revealed that it was merely a "tiny portion" of Spectre's essence that confronted the GEB.

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We later learned, in the pages of Sandman, that this 'mini-Ragnarok' was created by DC Odin--and the JSA inadvertently ended up within its endless cycle:
http://i.imgur.com/g4hAleh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Wq8pb3G.jpg
(They were the "further warriors" Odin spoke of.)

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During Armageddon: Inferno, Waverider+Spectre freed the JSA from that reality to help fight Abraxis:
http://i.imgur.com/Nsv7LIe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GrddA1m.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4NXYOKG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3XbIQ5i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NPyGB9K.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TXME1Zp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5qge8nw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1aqQow6.jpg

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It was actually pretty cool how DC tied all of that together. 👆

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007

[b]*http://i.imgur.com/rIJzLfg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YVEdzvH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5pY3gRk.jpg
*This was also the story which revealed that it was merely a "tiny portion" of Spectre's essence that confronted the GEB.
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Is this canon?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Absolutely.

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The events are also corroborated by Spectre's 1986 Who's Who bio:

http://i.imgur.com/fx49y4I.jpg

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Thanks Galan. You're a scholar and a pimp.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Absolutely.
[edit]
The events are also corroborated by Spectre's 1986 Who's Who bio:
http://i.imgur.com/fx49y4I.jpg

So the "incalculably greater threat" than the Shadow Being (GEB) that Spectre was referring to in these scans was Hitler with the Spear of Destiny?

Originally posted by Galan007

[b]*http://i.imgur.com/rIJzLfg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YVEdzvH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5pY3gRk.jpg
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Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Yes, but when Spectre was rendered comatose in the wake of his battle with Anti-Monitor, all of his energy spilled out of him and retroactively traveled back to 1945, where it was absorbed by the SoD(which was in Hitler's possession at the time):
http://i.imgur.com/IlJHgor.jpg
And had he not been defeated, Hitler would have used the Spear to destroy the whole of existence. That much was reiterated time and time again.

So evidently Spectre considered the SoD /w/ his full power, to be more of a legitimate threat to creation than the GEB. You can take that one of 2 ways:

a.) The SoD /w/ all Spectre's power was outright more powerful than the GEB.
OR
b.) "Greater threat" isn't referring to the raw power at their disposal, but rather, the threat they actually posed to creation. As I said: Hitler /w/ the SoD would have destroyed all of existence. Conversely, the GEB was relatively benign, and only sought help discerning its purpose. For example: it never killed anyone it absorbed--it spit them all out alive, even though it could have undoubtedly killed them w/o effort. It was never out to destroy creation, imo, therefore it wasn't really a 'threat' in the same sense as Hitler /w/ the SoD. /shrug

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, but when Spectre was rendered comatose in the wake of his battle with Anti-Monitor, all of his energy spilled out of him and retroactively traveled back to 1945, where it was absorbed by the SoD(which was in Hitler's possession at the time):
http://i.imgur.com/IlJHgor.jpg
And had he not been defeated, Hitler would have used the Spear to destroy the whole of existence. That much was reiterated time and time again.
So evidently Spectre considered the SoD /w/ his full power, to be more of a legitimate threat to creation than the GEB. You can take that one of 2 ways:
a.) The SoD /w/ all Spectre's power was outright more powerful than the GEB.
[b]OR
b.) "Greater threat" isn't referring to the raw power at their disposal, but rather, the threat they actually posed to creation. As I said: Hitler /w/ the SoD would have destroyed all of existence. Conversely, the GEB was relatively benign, and only sought help discerning its purpose. For example: it never killed anyone it absorbed--it spit them all out alive, even though it could have undoubtedly killed them w/o effort. It was never out to destroy creation, imo, therefore it wasn't really a 'threat' in the same sense as Hitler /w/ the SoD. /shrug [/B]

Yeah, I think I'm leaning toward option "b".

It's still an impressive testament to Spectre's power (destroying all creation and all that). Keeping in mind Spectre could have actually beaten COIE AM if he wanted to, we get a clearer picture of the Spectre's true power level.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Same. 👆

Juntai Divine Vengeance

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abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, I think I'm leaning toward option "b".
It's still an impressive testament to Spectre's power (destroying all creation and all that). Keeping in mind Spectre could have actually beaten COIE AM if he wanted to, we get a clearer picture of the Spectre's true power level.

Don't let Bran catch you say that.

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zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't let Bran catch you say that.
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I already had a healthy respect for a properly written Spectre (see the whole "Brothers" crossover with Marvel). But this was just icing on the cake.

Also with this new info, I guess this actually establishes Michael as a true multiversal+ power, since he took everything the Spectre threw at him and then just swatted him away.

blushing

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
Keeping in mind Spectre could have actually beaten COIE AM if he wanted to, we get a clearer picture of the Spectre's true power level.

Tbf, Spectre was being amped by several other magical beings when he battled COIE AM:

The power that was sent back in time after he was rendered comatose and absorbed by the SoD, however, was all his. 👆

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Tbf, Spectre was being amped by several other magical beings when he battled COIE AM:

Hmm, I was going by what was said here :

Assuming this is canon, it's my understanding that Spectre had all the power he needed to stop the COIE AM (with or without the mystics backing him).

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

IF he were able to use the Spectre-force to its full potential, he could have conceivably beaten both Anti-Monitor AND the GEB, according to that page from The Spectre v2 #01(yes, it's canon.) However, he was never really able to access the full extent of his power for an extended period of time, therefore his own energy wasn't enough to defeat them. That said, it's conceivable that Spectre's 'full potential' energy is what traveled back in time and was absorbed by the SoD... Which would help give credence to the creation-spanning power that Hitler /w/ SoD was repeatedly stated to possess.

Though that one page just isn't enough for me to put Spectre above the GEB without thinking twice--full potential or not... Unless the GEB simply isn't what I've always thought it is, of course(ie. God's equal and opposite.) /shrug

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by zopzop
I already had a healthy respect for a properly written Spectre (see the whole "Brothers" crossover with Marvel). But this was just icing on the cake.
Also with this new info, I guess this actually establishes Michael as a true multiversal+ power, since he took everything the Spectre threw at him and then just swatted him away.
blushing

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And even that Spectre was operating on half power as long as Jim Corrigan existed on mortal plane.

So Spectre was basically at half power until Spectre v3 ended.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9

Hulk and Nightcrawler destroyed a Universe during their fight. Don't think anyone would say either of these two could beat Odin.

That universe was very small and destroying it meant Damaging a small land of mass, nothing else.