Siths vs Jedi Council

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nonsense.

Full potential Anakin Skywalker is massively overrated. There is no concrete proof that he forced both Son and Daughter to their knees with his personal strength and/or could do that for long. Anakin likely achieved this by drawing on the power of Mortis and/or assistance from the Father.

Father created Mortis to contain Son and Daughter and prevent their escape. Anybody who could draw on the power of Mortis, could take the place of Father. Anakin passed this TEST.

Yes he was drawing on Mortis, that's how he achieved his full potential.

The idea that anyone could past the test however is baseless nonsense lol.

I'm not sure how anyone can watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=groYO_51bwY) and not think Skywalker solos.

LeGenD thinks Valkorion can solo the Father.

Good fight imo

Originally posted by Beniboybling
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Yes he was drawing on Mortis, that's how he achieved his full potential.

The idea that anyone could past the test however is baseless nonsense lol.

Uh, not really. Anakin's potential was said to be twice that of Sidious. Sidious isn't even near the One's. Anakin was drawing on Mortis as the Chosen One and he seemed to be in peak condition. But he's not Son & Daughter + outside of Mortis and he never could be.

Not everyone could draw on Mortis. Obi-Wan and Ahsoka sure couldn't, despite Obi-Wan suggesting it in the first place. I'm pretty sure if anyone except Anakin even managed it their bodies would be instantly incinerated with that much power flowing through them.

Either Anakin can't reach that level off of Mortis, or that twice as powerful as Sidious thing is complete BS.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, not really. Anakin's potential was said to be twice that of Sidious. Sidious isn't even near the One's. Anakin was drawing on Mortis as the Chosen One and he seemed to be in peak condition. But he's not Son & Daughter + outside of Mortis and he never could be.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Completely ignoring that Anakin is supposed to replace the Father and that the Son and the Daughter ALSO draw off Mortis, it being a planet of pure Force energy.

Why would that be ignoring that fact? He's meant to replace the Father and remain on Mortis where his special connection to the Force lets him subdue those two.

But seriously, Anakin isn't walking around with 25 times as many midichlorians as anyone else.

Either way, being twice as powerful as Sidious means Sidious himself is fodder, and he still godstomps this.

Yes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would that be ignoring that fact? He's meant to replace the Father and remain on Mortis where his special connection to the Force lets him subdue those two.

But seriously, Anakin isn't walking around with 25 times as many midichlorians as anyone else.

Ok. But have you considered.... no?

Yes, I've considered it, and it's wrong.

Also if he replaced the Father he'd probably drink from that fountain thing that made Abeloth crazy powerful anyway. He doesn't need to be a god from borth.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also if he replaced the Father he'd probably drink from that fountain thing that made Abeloth crazy powerful anyway. He doesn't need to be a god from borth.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, not really. Anakin's potential was said to be twice that of Sidious. Sidious isn't even near the One's. Anakin was drawing on Mortis as the Chosen One and he seemed to be in peak condition. But he's not Son & Daughter + outside of Mortis and he never could be.

Did it ever occur to you that this off-hand statement might not be intended as an precise depiction of Anakin's full potential?

EDIT: Ant, be a dear and scale your gifs. 👆

It "may" not be precise, but I find it hard to believe it's so far off the mark as to entertain the notion that Anakin's dozens of times more powerful than Lucas alluded to.

There's other reasons. There isn't anything suggesting Anakin has that much potential in him. Even Luke at his best was a blip compared to the One's general level.

Considering we lack an precise indication of how powerful the Ones are in relation to other Force sensitives, I'd say the idea that he needs to be "dozens times more powerful" is pretty arbitrary in itself. As is the idea that Luke is a "blip" in comparison to them.

The fact aside that "twice as powerful as Darth Sidious" is more than enough to convey the idea that Anakin's potential is vast.

And there is little to suggest that Anakin could become twice as powerful as Sheev, but there we go.

How much more powerful do you think he'd need to be to pull off what he did outside of Mortis? Can't we use Abeloth as a rough estimate?

I mean, people think that the One's are powerful enough to crack the universe like an egg. Compared to that, my suggestion was conservative af.

Regardless, it's a massive difference between what Lucas said either way.

Also, naw. Anakin getting to that level is def supported. Like how he clowned Dooku when he tapped into his potential.

Abeloth is Legends, assuming she even exists in Canon is folly.

Nonetheless I'm not necessarily critiquing your suggestions, merely pointing out that such assessments are speculative at best, and therefore can hardly be put into conflict with Lucas own non-specific claims.

P.S. Anakin's full potential should be enough to clown Palpatine, the guy who could Force choke Dooku over holocam, so naw.