Siths vs Jedi Council

Oh that's a bullshit distinction. Half this thread is Legends. IDGAF about Abeloth being Legends. She's relevant.

The One's are clearly on a completely different level than ordinary Force Users like Palpatine. Considering this entire discussion was started by your dismissal of Legends argument contrary to that, I assume you agree with me. For Anakin to be capable of humbling two such beings at once, despite inexperience in that level of Force Mastery, his power would need to be greatly higher than Lucas' estimation. I simply don't think that the guy who created Anakin (and iirc was heavily involved with the One's creation) could be that far off the mark. Especially when he was explicitly shown to be drawing off of Mortis to do so.

Palpatine couldn't clown Dooku in lightsabers though. And that was Anakin clearly just starting to tap into his full potential.

Originally posted by Nephthys
My opinion > everyone else's, including the people who wrote the damn thing

Right, except my interpretation is the one saying not to dismiss the creators statement just because it conflicts with my opinion.

No. You made an arbitrary judgement on how powerful Sidious must be in comparison to Abeloth who is easily within the range of twice the power of someone who can rip open reality.

I made that assessment because it says that Abeloth is 12 times stronger than Luke during one of their fights. And Luke isn't less powerful than Sidious.

git gud faq

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh that's a bullshit distinction. Half this thread is Legends. IDGAF about Abeloth being Legends. She's relevant.

Regardless Abeloth as I recall, is more powerful than the Son & Daughter combined.

The One's are clearly on a completely different level than ordinary Force Users like Palpatine. Considering this entire discussion was started by your dismissal of Legends argument contrary to that, I assume you agree with me.

But we must also remember that Anakin is essentially the Star Wars version of Jesus, a metaphorical Son of God, he is not normal by any strength of the imagination.

For Anakin to be capable of humbling two such beings at once, despite inexperience in that level of Force Mastery, his power would need to be greatly higher than Lucas' estimation.

I simply don't think that the guy who created Anakin (and iirc was heavily involved with the One's creation) could be that far off the mark.

Especially when he was explicitly shown to be drawing off of Mortis to do so.

Nonetheless I suppose what it boils down too is whether what kind of relationship the Ones have with Mortis, as a nexus of Force energy it would presumably empower them, but at the same time it is a nexus of their own creation and arguably a nexus sustained by their existence.

To suggest they would be weaker off-nexus would therefore I suppose, be questionable.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I made that assessment because it says that Abeloth is 12 times stronger than Luke during one of their fights. And Luke isn't less powerful than Sidious.

git gud faq

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'm not saying she's not relevant, I'm merely saying that the claim that Abeloth is "a dozen times" stronger than Luke, cannot be applied absolutely to Canon. When Legends have been confirmed to be potentially inaccurate and exaggerated, especially when frankly it could be hyperbole in itself.

Regardless Abeloth as I recall, is more powerful than the Son & Daughter combined.

You questioned her existence, lol. Also still don't care about the Legends thing.

Which would still need for Anakin's potential to be upwards of a dozen times LotF Luke. That's insane.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I do, considering its stated as much in the Star Wars Databank.

But we must also remember that Anakin is essentially the Star Wars version of Jesus, a metaphorical Son of God, he is not normal by any strength of the imagination.

Yeah, but being around twice as powerful as anyone else in history is pretty extraordinary already.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sure, but what my issue is is the fact that this is a problem, Lucas is making just that an estimation, we can't expect it to be accurate, and unchangeable.

Ballpark estimation's still give you the damn ballpark. It's not so inaccurate that it's a couple blocks away, ordering pasta for it's hot date. It's a far better source for Anakin's full potential than literally anything else as far as I know. Just ignoring it would be stupid and smacks of biased interpreting.

Lucas also said that Luke had similar potential to Anakin and Luke has mastered his power to a pretty dang extent and never dreamed of choking out 2 Ones at once.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Who are we talking about now? The "guy" with created Anakin was the Force itself brah.

Spoiler:
The Force isn't real.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Referring to what Freshest pointed out here i.e. that we've no reason to assume the Son & Daughter could not do the same, which would make it an equal playing field.

Nonetheless I suppose what it boils down too is whether what kind of relationship the Ones have with Mortis, as a nexus of Force energy it would presumably empower them, but at the same time it is a nexus of their own creation and arguably a nexus sustained by their existence.

To suggest they would be weaker off-nexus would therefore I suppose, be questionable.

Unless Anakin, as the Chosen One born directly from the Force, received a far more substantial boost than anything else could. And yeah, I agree with what you raise that it's speculative that the One's are stronger on Mortis or weaker off it.

Your interpretation that the nexus only allowed Anakin to reach his full potential is also questionable. It's never worked like that. Personally I don't even see where you're getting that idea.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yeah, and Luke says he is. Guess Luke's opinion means less than yours.

I admire how much you're reaching to shit on me dude. Keep up the bad work! 👆

Yep, because you using an arbitrary opinion is definitely superior to me doing the same. Because reasons.

No no, you got me. I'm a bad person. What more even needs to be said??? Thoroughly lampooned by the great FreshestSlice, I'll go tie the noose right now.

Be sure to put it over live stream. I doubt anyone would want to miss this.

Link?

Luke hadn't reached his full potential yet in 10 ABY. Luke's got 32 years experience on the man who said that.