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Originally posted by Emperordmb
Naga Sadow's trove lived on with the Banite Sith though, courtesy of Bane finding Nadd's holocron. Unless that was lost with Gravid's twerking, but obviously either way Sadow's knowledge wasn't lost when Kun lost his body and became anchored to the temple. Unless that quote is referring to the knowledge being lost after Kun's spirit was vanquished, in which case it has no bearing on the Banite Sith line, since they were all already dead.

Edit: Dooku also had the Dark holocron at one point, so... that wasn't lost either.

Naga Sadow's trove isn't the same thing though.

No, Exar Kun destroyed the Dark Holocron.

Originally posted by ares834
So you're extrapolating that to mean Exar Kun knew everything about the Sith Powers... Christ.

All it states is that the dark knowledge (And by this I assume they are referring o Sadow's teachings correct?) died with Kun. They then reinforce this by saying even Vader doesn't know all there is about Sith powers. That's why Vader is brought up; it's not a comparison to Kun but rather to show that knowledge has been lost.

Originally posted by AncientPower
No, Exar Kun destroyed the Dark Holocron.

Welcome to 2007.

Originally posted by ares834
So you're extrapolating that to mean Exar Kun knew everything about the Sith Powers... Christ.

All it states is that the dark knowledge (And by this I assume they are referring o Sadow's teachings correct?) died with Kun. They then reinforce this by saying even Vader doesn't know all there is about Sith powers. That's why Vader is brought up; it's not a comparison to Kun but rather to show that knowledge has been lost.

Most likely the Dark Holocron considering it's far more valuable, and after it made him stronger, he smashed it, and corrupted the Jedi with the remnants of Sith spirits within it.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Uh, for one, didn't Dark Apprentice start out by saying that Kun "warped Darth Vader himself." 😬

Originally posted by ares834
All it states is that the dark knowledge (And by this I assume they are referring o Sadow's teachings correct?) died with Kun. They then reinforce this by saying even Vader doesn't know all there is about Sith powers. That's why Vader is brought up; it's not a comparison to Kun but rather to show that knowledge has been lost.

Ergo, neither Kun's "deaths" effect what knowledge Vader has.

Originally posted by AncientPower
he smashed it

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The novel even contradicts the quote by implying he passed down his dark teachings along with the custom of being called Lord of the Sith: "Kun had revitalized the dark teachings, granting himself the title of Dark Lord of the Sith, a tradition passed down all the way to Darth Vader, who had been the last Sith Lord. "

It says he passed down the title, not his teachings.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Most likely the Dark Holocron considering it's far more valuable, and after it made him stronger, he smashed it, and corrupted the Jedi with the remnants of Sith spirits within it.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Source?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not that effectively, it seems.

The entire thing was destroyed though and the spirits within it corrupted the Jedi Knights Exar Kun accompanied.

It is far more likely to be an entirely different one, the Tedryn Holocron.

Originally posted by AncientPower
It says he passed down the title, not his teachings.

Darth Vader had discovered the wrong kind of knowledge. Luke could not dismiss the possibility that one of his students would be seduced by the dark side.

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Anakin's voice became tinged with anger. "Obi-Wan fought against the complex Sith teachings I had uncovered. He did not understand them himself, but he forbade me to study them--though he always insisted that I must learn for myself and choose my own path. I rebelled against him for his narrow- mindedness, and I insisted on unlocking secrets for which I was not ready. In the end it consumed me--I fell to the dark side, and I became the Dark Lord of the Sith."

Anakin looked at Luke with an anguished, apologetic expression. "But if Obi-Wan had let me learn the teachings at my own pace, I would have grown stronger. I would have remained uncorrupted. He never understood that."

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The source material had Kun destroying the Holocron, but that's been retconned.

In what way? Because if Wookieepedia is your source...

Originally posted by AncientPower
The entire thing was destroyed though and the spirits within it corrupted the Jedi Knights Exar Kun accompanied.

It is far more likely to be an entirely different one, the Tedryn Holocron.

No... it was the Dark Holocron. That was directly stated, rofl.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nah, you're wrong. Your quote says the dark teachings died with Vader, but many quotes in the novel specifically said the teachings remained and were found by Vader (which is also retconned), hence how Kun "passed down" the teachings:

Darth Vader had discovered the wrong kind of knowledge. Luke could not dismiss the possibility that one of his students would be seduced by the dark side.

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Anakin's voice became tinged with anger. "Obi-Wan fought against the complex Sith teachings I had uncovered. He did not understand them himself, but he forbade me to study them--though he always insisted that I must learn for myself and choose my own path. I rebelled against him for his narrow- mindedness, and I insisted on unlocking secrets for which I was not ready. In the end it consumed me--I fell to the dark side, and I became the Dark Lord of the Sith."

Anakin looked at Luke with an anguished, apologetic expression. "But if Obi-Wan had let me learn the teachings at my own pace, I would have grown stronger. I would have remained uncorrupted. He never understood that."

Exar Kun was pretending to be Anakin via one of his illusions, he is not referring to his own knowledge but Sith teachings in general.

Naga Sadow's alchemical knowledge + Freedon Nadd's alchemical knowledge + Sorzus Syn's alchemical knoweldge>Naga Sadow's alchemical knowledge

Banite Sith knowledge trove FTW

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Uh, it's called a retcon. 👆

No... it was the Dark Holocron. That was directly stated, rofl.

Not when sourcebooks newer than Legacy of the Jedi still state it was destroyed by Kun and corrupted Jedi when the spirits trapped within were released.

It's a clear contradiction in lore.

Could we get the actual quotes regarding the Dark Holocron please?

I also can't see how Nadd's holocron could contain Sadow's knowledge, when Sidious himself uncovered Sadow's knowledge, and wanks it to high heaven in Book of Sith.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I also can't see how Nadd's holocron could contain Sadow's knowledge, when Sidious himself uncovered Sadow's knowledge, and wanks it to high heaven.

In which section of Book of Sith does Sheev do this?

One of the most powerful Sith alchemists was Naga Sadow, who left detailed records of his work within a Sith Holocron I came across some years ago.

Source: Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force_

My bad it was Jedi vs Sith.