Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Doom figured out a way to control the board, reed figured out a way to get him off. But at that point they had no way to go head to head with him.It's a no limits fallacy to say "well the ff4 only got him off with tech, nothing else will work."
Zod doesn't have that tech. Doesn't even have prep time to make that tech. So unless otherwise proven, Zod has no way to get surfer off his board.
Sorry, but the only person using a fallacy here is you. There was nothing every stated that there are multiple ways to get him off his board. Nothing even suggesting of other ways, let alone brute force. Nothing of the like was even implied. Yet you're saying well since it wasn't shown that brute force wouldn't work, well then it will work. That is fallacy 101. It's the opposite actually. Reed and Doom are exponentially smarter than Zod, and even AFTER prep, that is what they came up with. Zod would never be able to make such a deduction. Let's say for a second brute force doesn't work, well then, Zod is essentially F'd. He has zero way of getting him off the board and would be curb'd.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
If Using a no limits fallacy...sure
It's not a no limits fallacy. You're using that term incorrectly.
I did not say only the F4 could take him off his board. But as seen, brute force alone would not take him off his board (otherwise Doom and Reed would not have needed to go through all the science mumbo jumbo of figuring out a different way) and Zod only has brute force here. Surfer also mentioned that he has never been separated from his board.
We're going by movie feats here. Zod has no technological feats that I know of, and there were no brute force feats that took Surfer off his board.
So how exactly do you suggest Zod can take Surfer off his board.
TI does have a point.
Just because the FF don't have the physical power to get Surfer off the board, doesn't necessarily mean the power of a Kryptonian couldn't do it.
On the other hand it did seem kind of unlikely that anything beyond Skyfather level would be doing it.
So I would suggest comparing them on basis of feats instead of speculating on that.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
TI does have a point.Just because the FF don't have the physical power to get Surfer off the board, doesn't necessarily mean the power of a Kryptonian couldn't do it.
On the other hand it did seem kind of unlikely that anything beyond Skyfather level would be doing it.
So I would suggest comparing them on basis of feats instead of speculating on that.
To be fair, Surfer travels around in the vacuum of space without falling off his board. Can survive leaving and entering earth's atmosphere without falling off his board. Survived attacks from the F4 without falling off his board. Has mentioned that he has never been separated from his board (or am I confusing this with the cartoon?). Doom and Reed, 2 of the greatest minds on Earth, decided on a very specific way to get Surfer off his board. Strength-wise, Thing is also pretty close to Kryptonians, so if it was as easy as punching him off the board Thing would have done so.
So if we're going with the assumption that a Kryptonian can punch him off his board, someone needs to put together a far better argument than simply saying "I think a kryptonian is fast and strong enough to punch him off his board".
Zod doesn't really have any combat superspeed, it's all flight speed and Surfer actually flies far faster than Zod could ever hope to. so the Zod does this at superspeed isn't a good argument. plus wasn't Surfer able to phase, that would make it rather hard for Zod to remove Surfer from his board via strength based attacks.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Zod doesn't really have any combat superspeed, it's all flight speed and Surfer actually flies far faster than Zod could ever hope to. so the Zod does this at superspeed isn't a good argument. plus wasn't Surfer able to phase, that would make it rather hard for Zod to remove Surfer from his board via strength based attacks.
But why can we say people Surfer can do things he never showed. Meaning phasing from physical attacks? He phased through inanimate buildings and objects. He was never shown to phase through people or punches.