2000ft Destroyer vs FP Tyrant

Originally posted by zopzop
That's not what I was getting at. Collateral damage isn't a correct gauge of the true power of the attack.

According to you Pre Retcon MM and Beyonder are "apartment level" because a billion dimension slagging blast couldn't even destroy Marsha's apartment :

Galactus got disintegrated by a solar system level blast. Magus wasn't trying to kill him in fact. Just delaying him.

But this is rather cute. Now collateral damage isn't the way to go? What should be the measuring criteria? Fights? Odin still comes out ahead.

While weakened he was able to best Seth with the entire Egyptian pantheon. Galactus wishes he has any showings like that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or maybe Beyonder absorbed that power.

Galactus got disintegrated by a solar system level blast. Magus wasn't trying to kill him in fact. Just delaying him.

But this is rather cute. Now collateral damage isn't the way to go? What should be the measuring criteria? Fights? Odin still comes out ahead.

While weakened he was able to best Seth with the entire Egyptian pantheon. Galactus wishes he has any showings like that.

Galactus/Scier/Other threatened the entire multiverse with destruction. Not 'shook', actually threatened with annihilation.

Galactus held off the Galactus Engine by himself after all the other cosmics fled.

Galactus and the other cosmics were in the fight against Thanos with the IG, Odin and the other skyfathers were trapped in Asgard.

Galactus went toe to toe with 4 Rogue Celestials and KOed one of them. He only lost when they merged into a super Celestial.

And what are some feats for the Egyptian Pantheon? They couldn't even handle Set's son, Siapep, without Thor's help!

Originally posted by zopzop

Reaching. Nothing on panel suggests this.

Except the part where he tanks the attack and nothing happens to the room.

Again, the collateral damage isn't the point. See the above example. Magus with 5 CCU's blasted the shit out of Galactus.

He was capable of disintegrating Galactus with just a solar system level blast.

A solar system level blast isn't special because its from 5 CCUs.

How does Odin come out ahead?

Galactus/Scier/Other threatened the entire multiverse with destruction. Not 'shook', actually threatened with annihilation.

Only the universe was threatened.

Pure hyperbole from Oblivion, he said that the creation will be destroyed in a heartbeat if Other and Scrier fought. Scrier himself said it only endangered the universe.

Here is the real kicker, Oblivion isn't even sure if what happened was actual or an illusion by Scrier.

Making his words null and void completely.

Galactus held off the Galactus Engine by himself after all the other cosmics fled.

No, he didn't. He was getting his ass handed to him until Death saved hima nd everybody else. On the other hands, just a simple enchantment from Asgard kills celestials willy nilly.

Galactus and the other cosmics were in the fight against Thanos with the IG, Odin and the other skyfathers were trapped in Asgard.

Galactus went toe to toe with 4 Rogue Celestials and KOed one of them. He only lost when they merged into a super Celestial.

Amped Galactus. Odin has to just invoke a simple enchantment and he will wreck any celestial.

And what are some feats for the Egyptian Pantheon? They couldn't even handle Set's son, Siapep, without Thor's help! [/B]

Amping Seth to the level he could level galaxies.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Galactus chose not to fight as it didn't contribute to his plans/end goal.

It's easy to use one time showings like you do. Galactus fight with Scier/The Other had more of a effect on the multiverse than Odin or Destroyer ever has. It's easy to go down this route.

Galactus reformed from a blast by 5 cosmic containment units, that's far above anything Destroyer can do. Tyrsnt was equal to Galactus.

Many dog me when I claim that Mangog isn't that strong since he literally has no great strength feats above Superman. They claim that since Odin was afraid then that is the proof that he was portrayed to be as powerful as Odin. Yet you and others are doing it here for Galactus. Galactus was blatantly portrayed to be peers to Odin (without the Destroyer armor). With the Destroyer armor Galactus knew that he could possibly lose.

If you take characters at their average then average Galactus is not vastly more powerful than average Odin. Odin amped with the Destroyer armor is more or less peers to Galactus. You can ask anyone here.

Do you believe that Galactus would easily beat Odin in the Destroyer's armor? Or do you think it will be a hard fought win for Galactus?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except the part where he tanks the attack and nothing happens to the room.

He was capable of disintegrating Galactus with just a solar system level blast.

A solar system level blast isn't special because its from 5 CCUs.

Or this combined assault which included Death :

And the galaxy they were fighting in wasn't destroyed.

According to your 'logic', Odin/Seth > Cosmic Pantheon based on collateral damage.

Only the universe was threatened.

No, he didn't. He was getting his ass handed to him until Death saved hima nd everybody else. On the other hands, just a simple enchantment from Asgard kills celestials willy nilly.

That's not a feat for Galactus. Shang Chi was in a fight with HOTU Thanos.

Amped Galactus. Odin has to just invoke a simple enchantment and he will wreck any celestial.

Amping Seth to the level he could level galaxies.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, also if it is 2000ft tall then that means it is more than 280times taller. Thus it is more than 280 times thicker and hence more than 280 times more durable. So if Galactus would have a hard time damaging a normal size Destroyer powered by Odin then he would have a more than 280 times harder time with a 2000ft Destroyer.

But how much heavier would this armour be?

You're also ignoring the fact that it is hollow - So the armour walls may not have increased at the same rate.

Originally posted by h1a8
The 2000ft Destroyer doesn't have many showings. The only showing it has it was portrayed vastly more powerful than Odin.

Many dog me when I claim that Mangog isn't that strong since he literally has no great strength feats above Superman. They claim that since Odin was afraid then that is the proof that he was portrayed to be as powerful as Odin. Yet you and others are doing it here for Galactus. Galactus was blatantly portrayed to be peers to Odin (without the Destroyer armor). With the Destroyer armor Galactus knew that he could possibly lose.

If you take characters at their average then average Galactus is not vastly more powerful than average Odin. Odin amped with the Destroyer armor is more or less peers to Galactus. You can ask anyone here.

Do you believe that Galactus would easily beat Odin in the Destroyer's armor? Or do you think it will be a hard fought win for Galactus?

You haven't even read the story in question you've only seen scans.

Yeah Galactus would beat the destroyer, basing on comparative showings.

Originally posted by zopzop

So nothing on panel except your opinion.

And common sense.

But I like how you think solar system level attacks are somehow more powerful just because they are from CCUs.

Again this this nonsense. I guess Odin/Seth are more powerful than the entire Cosmic Pantheon that included : Galactus/Celestials/Love/Hate/Order/Chaos/Eon/Stranger/Chronos because when their combined attack blasted Thanos with the IG, only a couple of solar systems were destroyed.

Only if you're ZopZop. They are concentrating their attacks.

Or this combined assault which included Death :

And the galaxy they were fighting in wasn't destroyed.

Your point is?

According to your 'logic', Odin/Seth > Cosmic Pantheon based on collateral damage.

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Wrong, like usual :

That's Oblivion monologuing. Who was unsure of the whole event and flat out said that only Scrier knows what's going on.

And Scrier flat out said that it was the universe which was endangered.

Not hard to understand.

He was the last cosmic standing vs the Galactus Engine. How do you find a way to lowball this showing, I don't understand.

Captain America was the last guy standing against IG Thanos.

That doesn't makes him most powerful of Avengers.

So how pathetic is Odin then? Trapped in Asgard along with the rest of the Skyfathers while Galactus and crew were taking it to Thanos.

Because Thanos sealed them in Asgard. Are you saying Galactus could've broken a seal made by IG?

That's not amped. That's FED.

Four planets is amped Galactus.

That's a shared feat with Odin. So not really that impressive now is it? Seth's entire Pantheon was threatened by Set's son, till Thor saved their ass. [/B]

Their power was not concentrated in one being.

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Originally posted by abhilegend

Because Thanos sealed them in Asgard. Are you saying Galactus could've broken a seal made by IG?

The rest of your post doesn't address anything worth responding to.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nope. That's not what happened :

The rest of your post doesn't address anything worth responding to.

Your point is?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But how much heavier would this armour be?

You're also ignoring the fact that it is hollow - So the armour walls may not have increased at the same rate.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
dont care what you or others say on other matters. You have no clue if you think average Odin showings are equal to that of Galactus average.

You haven't even read the story in question you've only seen scans.

Yeah Galactus would beat the destroyer, basing on comparative showings.

And I believe Galactus would always beat Odin in a fight. But Odin will make him work for it. Odin in the small destroyer armor would make Galactus work even harder. 2000ft Destroyer in on another level.

Originally posted by h1a8
Although the armor is hollow it still has a certain thickness of its shell. Increasing in size means keeping the same proportion. The armor would definitely be far heavier. But that shouldn't affect its blasts or durability.

It would definitely affect its agility, and ability to raise its arms/face plate, no?

And what about the increased heat output from the higher destructive power now afforded by the beam? With its joints etc already under stress (due to the vastly increased mass) would it not blow up as soon as it fired?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It would definitely affect its agility, and ability to raise its arms/face plate, no?

And what about the increased heat output from the higher destructive power now afforded by the beam? With its joints etc already under stress (due to the vastly increased mass) would it not blow up as soon as it fired?

Anyway, in the comic. The 2000ft Destroyer appeared far more faster and agile than the normal sized one. This is because it was operating on a greater power to weight ratio than when it is normal sized.

I agree, increasing the weight while keeping the power the same would reduce speed and agility significantly. But Increasing power at the same proportion would cancel out the weight increase. But most importantly, increasing weight to quantities that are still astronomically less than the character's strength and power levels wouldn't cause a noticeable slow down at all. For example, Superman could pick up a 40lb object with close speed as a 2 ton object. Both would be nothing to him.

What would be very small - the face plate? I'd argue as the destructive power is so great (as it holds it back), it would be the strongest, and thus, the heaviest, part of the armor.

The neck joints would also need to be incredibly reinforced. Would it be a linear rstio, this mass to power? Have you proof?

Post the scans to support the larger Destroyer being faster/more agile, please.

Also, I'm not talking about lifting feats. I'm talking about its neck strength. Its legs, when it braces. The core support in its abdominals and spine. Without all this, repeated firings of its blasts would blow itself up.

Tyrant wins

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, the energy discharge Thanos unleashed across the universe sealed them in Asgard.

Your point is?

FAIL.

Originally posted by zopzop

Wrong. Nothing was sealed. The Rainbow Bridge broke and they were stuck in Asgard.

FAIL.

One point to highlight the comedy,
stating Galactus could not reform himself without the help of the Vishati is completely false.

Death in that very scene stated Galactus with time was going to reconstitute:

... the whole point of the Vishanti was cause Death was preventing Galactus from reforming on his own.

So you were correct there as in basically this whole discussion.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What would be very small - the face plate? I'd argue as the destructive power is so great (as it holds it back), it would be the strongest, and thus, the heaviest, part of the armor.

The neck joints would also need to be incredibly reinforced. Would it be a linear rstio, this mass to power? Have you proof?

Post the scans to support the larger Destroyer being faster/more agile, please.

Also, I'm not talking about lifting feats. I'm talking about its neck strength. Its legs, when it braces. The core support in its abdominals and spine. Without all this, repeated firings of its blasts would blow itself up.

The writer never portrayed the weight to be problematic. That's just silly.

Originally posted by h1a8
huh? You are confusing me. What does the weight have to do with anything. We already saw Destroyer fire off visor blast with ease several times in the comic. It didn't struggle with its neck. We saw it move with good speed when it was hacking at the Celestials with the sword. It didn't have a problem moving at all.

The writer never portrayed the weight to be problematic. That's just silly.

Writer never portrayed it as 280 times more durable either.