Originally posted by snowdragon
Call it a symbolic gesture so that cultures which embrace sharia are forced to acknowledge its not acceptable in any form.
Why though?
I mean isn't the land of the free compromising one of its core tenants by outlawing mundane things. And how would it work exactly? Are we going to force Muslims to eat pork and marry non-Muslims against their will? Can no one travel to Saudi Arabia anymore or just not Muslims?
So if it was the law of the land that we eat pork then yup if they want to come here? They follow the laws. But eating pork isn't a law so they're safe.
If someone wants to go to a country and doesn't like their laws well..either accept those laws or simply don't go. If the laws bother them so much then they can stay in Europe.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Why would you need to change US laws on top of the laws the US already has. Really it's just blind Islamophobia, which plays well, and anything called "Sharia" induces fear. Doesn't matter that what is proposed doesn't actually make any sense, nor that no one talking about it actually knows what it means.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
It's not islamophobia. Muslims actually adhere to a set of laws in accordance to Islam, besides the constitution of another country.In the case of Saudi Arabia, the Koran and the king are the laws of the land, both regarded above Sharia (which is based on the Koran.)
What I was referring to is most definitely Islamophobia. And yes, Muslims do adhere to laws in accordance with their Religion, so do Christians and any other Religious group really. Outlawing "Sharia Law" is a meaningless, knee-jerk reaction, based on a lack of understanding of and a fear of Islam.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
--The Statue of ****ing Liberty
/thread
Hell no.
That might be harsh considering how America's to blame for ISIS' rise but come on now who really wants secret ISIS members and Muslims who know 0 about freedom and tolerance in this country? See how well it turned out for Sweden.
And remember when the refugees were throwing away the free food Danish government was giving them once they were in their borders because of the cross in their flag? How ****ed and disrespectful is that.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
[B]Hell no.That might be harsh considering how America's to blame for ISIS' rise but come on now who really wants secret ISIS members and Muslims who know 0 about freedom and tolerance in this country?
You do realize the refugees are literally the people running from Isis?
And, like, the US has a long history of people coming from oppressive areas and naturalizing just fine?
And of the huge numbers of refugees let in from middle eastern countries of similar cultures over the last decade, hundreds of thousands, there's been no terrorist attacks from them? Honestly native-born Americans are a worse bet odds wise...
You'd turn away tens of thousands out of fear of, what, that maybe a dozen baddies sneak in among the lot? If that? And where the incoming people are checked out as a matter of course anyway?
Fear isn't unusual, but if one looks at the statistics, the fears are disproportionate.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66you realize we had only recently gotten rid of Slavery when the Statue of Liberty was dedicated. So let's not assume our forefathers were the go tos on race relations.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame."Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"--The Statue of ****ing Liberty
/thread
I think it's perfectly rational to stop allowing people who can't be vetted into the country. It's not a race thing, it's (un)common sense.
I love how people think quoting the shit on the statue of liberty or blabbing on about "well this country was founded on such and such" as if it matters at all. It doesn't, not really.
Things change, countries change, priorities change. Please don't ever act like we need to welcome everyone and anyone for the rest of time.
This isn't even a comment on the specific issue in this thread, but it is tiring to see people who think they can go " we are a nation of immigrants" as if it is game set match. That is hilariously naive, at best.
I wonder what the Japanese americans put in camps during WW2 thought of that shit written on the statue. What do you guys think? Remember that line, from the statue? Give us your poor, your sick, but you sure as shit better not physically resemble our enemies. Yeah, that has always been my favorite line too. Let us celebrate that statue and all it means some more. We as a country have never behaved, in the time since we got it, in a manner counter to that suggested so hell why start now, right? We've always adhered to it.
Sturm and Drang about Syrian refugees is misplaced. If we're going to stop anyone from entering the country, it should be a blanket ban on anyone with a Saudi passport.
The Saudi's aren't civilized enough to be trusted. Strip away the oil wealth, and they're just a bunch of desert tribals who chop peoples' heads off for the crime of witchcraft.
Originally posted by Lucius
Sturm and Drang about Syrian refugees is misplaced. If we're going to stop anyone from entering the country, it should be a blanket ban on anyone with a Saudi passport.The Saudi's aren't civilized enough to be trusted. Strip away the oil wealth, and they're just a bunch of desert tribals who chop peoples' heads off for the crime of witchcraft.
But..will nobody..will nobody think of the statue?!
You are also showing your ignorance, how else are you gonna take out a witch besides beheading? This isn't the movies, water doesn't work. Remember WWLLD: What would lady liberty do?
Originally posted by Surtur
But..will nobody..will nobody think of the statue?!You are also showing your ignorance, how else are you gonna take out a witch besides beheading? This isn't the movies, water doesn't work. Remember WWLLD: What would lady liberty do?
I wouldn't know. I'm a Western Cultural Imperialist.
Originally posted by Lucius
Sturm and Drang about Syrian refugees is misplaced. If we're going to stop anyone from entering the country, it should be a blanket ban on anyone with a Saudi passport.The Saudi's aren't civilized enough to be trusted. Strip away the oil wealth, and they're just a bunch of desert tribals who chop peoples' heads off for the crime of witchcraft.
We need to cut ties with the Saudis but they give money to all our politicians, including Obama, Hilary and Bush.
We provide a ghost army for them yet they stab us in the back like they did with this shooting, this woman has already been linked to Saudi.
Originally posted by Q99I'd turn them away because I know for a fact there will be terrorists among them whose only wish is to kill American civilians. Also a lot of these "refugees" you're talking about aren't even from Syria but rather from Pakistan and Afghanistan. I believe we call them economic migrants.
You do realize the refugees are literally the people running from Isis?And, like, the US has a long history of people coming from oppressive areas and naturalizing just fine?
And of the huge numbers of refugees let in from middle eastern countries of similar cultures over the last decade, hundreds of thousands, there's been no terrorist attacks from them? Honestly native-born Americans are a worse bet odds wise...
You'd turn away tens of thousands out of fear of, what, that maybe a dozen baddies sneak in among the lot? If that? And where the incoming people are checked out as a matter of course anyway?
Fear isn't unusual, but if one looks at the statistics, the fears are disproportionate.
Look at the statistics for crime in Sweden and see how 90 percent of the time they are committed by Muslim immigrants. And then a lot of white people in Europe especially the ones in power are too scared to even condemn them appropriately because they might look like racists or Islamophobes. Notice how some of the ultra rich countries in the region which are also Muslim have taken pretty much 0 refugees in.
Long story short I think letting in thousands of people from the region will be a very bad idea especially for people living in New York Washington and L.A.
Dick Cheney: Donald Trump's Anti-Muslim Plan 'Goes Against Everything We Stand For'
Former Vice President Dick Cheney (R) on Monday denounced real estate mogul Donald Trump's plan to restrict all Muslims from immigrating to the U.S., pointing out that the U.S. has always welcomed people of all religions."I think this whole notion that somehow we can just say no more Muslims, just ban a whole religion, goes against everything we stand for and believe in," he told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt. "I mean, religious freedom has been a very important part of our history and where we came from. A lot of people, my ancestors got here, because they were Puritans."
I do not often say this, but I'm with Cheney on this.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
I'd turn them away because I know for a fact there will be terrorists among them whose only wish is to kill American civilians. Also a lot of these "refugees" you're talking about aren't even from Syria but rather from Pakistan and Afghanistan. I believe we call them economic migrants.
Afghanistan, home of Al Qaeda and the Taliban? Same issue applies. Al Qaeda's more US focused than ISIL, for that matter.
Also, so? There's people here, in the US, from the US, who want to kill American civilians. We just had a terrorist attack from one of them a couple days before the California one. The notable majority of US terrorist attacks are from native-born white people- both in number of incidents and deaths caused.
Yes, there is some danger, but it's taking in tens of thousand out of humanitarian reasons, who are easier to keep track of than native terrorists due to lack of familiarity- and meanwhile getting the economic benefits of taking them in and undercutting Daesh by stealing away their tax base. It's the right thing to do.
Look at the statistics for crime in Sweden and see how 90 percent of the time they are committed by Muslim immigrants.
25% are by immigrants period, and that percentage includes African and European (i.e. largely Christian) and Asian immigrants.
Heck, have some other statistics on Immgrants in Sweden. "About 60% percent of them (Iranians) go on to higher education – far more than the Swedish average (45 percent) or the average for other minorities (37 percent)."
37%! That's the smallest group, and that's a heck of a lot.
[quite] And then a lot of white people in Europe especially the ones in power are too scared to even condemn them appropriately because they might look like racists or Islamophobes. [/quote]
The immigrants get criticized a lot- and one issue they have is the difficulty in assimilating in many European countries. If someone is kept separate, it causes problems.
The US, traditionally, has had a lot less problem integrating other cultures into our countries. In part because we already have so many.
Long story short I think letting in thousands of people from the region will be a very bad idea especially for people living in New York Washington and L.A.
Oh hey, I'm in one of those areas 🙂
You may also be overlooking that our country is freaking huge. That many spread across the country is very few.