Originally posted by Darth Thor
That's all fine, but he wasn't more powerful than Vader. In fact going by Sam Witwer's comments, he was considerably less powerful than Vader.Hence the need for Power Scaling. And not just looking at feats on their own. Especially in Legends where every medium portrayed force powers very differently.
Apologies my friend but I got by feats rather then statements.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Apologies my friend but I got by feats rather then statements.
Even going by feats Vader had the decisive edge over Starkiller in TFUII.
What Witwer explained was Vader even let him win and purposefully got captured to lead him to all the Rebels. Narrations from people involved or in the know how do matter IMO. But like I said even without his statement Vader =/> Starkiller.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Even going by feats Vader had the decisive edge over Starkiller in TFUII.What Witwer explained was Vader even let him win and purposefully got captured to lead him to all the Rebels. Narrations from people involved or in the know how do matter IMO. But like I said even without his statement Vader =/> Starkiller.
I think that Galen/Starkiller are equal or greater in the force personally.
Also I agree that Vader allowed himself to be captured but part of that was because he could not decisively beat the clone without it being on his own terms.
Essentially this is how I view Vader and Galen/Starkiller.
Vader is stronger then either.
Durability should be even or slightly in Vader's favor.
Endurance should be even.
Speed should be even or slightly in the pair's favor.
Vader is more skilled then either by a good margin.
Force power should be even or slightly in the pairs favor.
Vader's lack of mobility might explain their seeming speed advantage over Vader. In reality Vader is probably just as fast.
Originally posted by Rebel95
What do you mean by power scaling?
I mean when Maul/Opress can move starship, and Sidious can easily pin them both, then it goes without saying that Sidious can move much larger ships than the ones Maul/Opress moved, whether Sidious has that feat or not is irrelevant.
Similarly if Starkiller can move a stardestroyer but he can't overpower Vader in the force, then that feat should also count for Vader.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I mean when Maul/Opress can move starship, and Sidious can easily pin them both, then it goes without saying that Sidious can move much larger ships than the ones Maul/Opress moved, whether Sidious has that feat or not is irrelevant.Similarly if Starkiller can move a stardestroyer but he can't overpower Vader in the force, then that feat should also count for Vader.
Vader actually has a feat that's on par with that friend. Though I don't know why you think it would put him above. Which gets me back the point of proving that Galen/Starkiller are equal to Vader.
Wouldn't you agree that Vader is more skilled friend?
Originally posted by Syndicate
Vader actually has a feat that's on par with that friend. Though I don't know why you think it would put him above. Which gets me back the point of proving that Galen/Starkiller are equal to Vader.Wouldn't you agree that Vader is more skilled friend?
Point being when we power scale he wouldn't need the feat.
Vadee had greater skill and mastery of the force, but that all contributes to overall power. Which is why Starkiller couldn't overpower Vader in the Force or in Sabers in TFUII that is. He overpowered Vader in Sabers in TFUI but TFUII specifically mentions how Vader learned from that.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Point being when we power scale he wouldn't need the feat.Vadee had greater skill and mastery of the force, but that all contributes to overall power. Which is why Starkiller couldn't overpower Vader in the Force or in Sabers in TFUII that is. He overpowered Vader in Sabers in TFUI but TFUII specifically mentions how Vader learned from that.
Accept where you and I disagree is that Galen's normal force pushes/waves are anywhere near the power he'd need to exert to guide a Star Destroyer down.
Vader having greater overall skill and mastery in the force is debatable. I was referring to saber skills though. Would you agree he is the more capable duelist both in their duel on the DS and on Kamino?