Rogers, Bucky, Khan vs Sideous

"Engines exploded into flame and spit and smoke. His master raised his hands, forming one into a claw emmitting jagged bolts of force lightning that connected him for a moment to the ship. Vader imagined the interior of the craft lit up with bolts of his masters power, the pilots screaming in pain as the dark side seared their flesh. The emperor clenched his other hand, taking a mental hold on the ship with the force toward. Vader, too, lifted a hand and reached oit with the force toward the other ship." LotS

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I didn't say FL killed I said Anakin was trying to kill him. Well that's because it was TK+lightning as shown in the clips.

We don't see TK period. It's Invisble, but however we have seen its results and know that it is being used in conjunction with FL. FL doesn't lift or throw people, TK does.

No, TK+FL.

That would interest me vanishing was an actaul ability. It's not, but lifting and shooting at the same time is which he performed, so him vanishing doesn't alter anything.

So we agree that eh can use TK+Lightning simontaneously.

Why should anything you say have any bearing? Not like you have any type of positive reputation, and you say the same thing to everyone. 😂 Come back to me when your actually worth something.

We know when tk is being used or you should know. You aren't clever enough to discern a scene.

So you agree that the vision portrayed him capable of something he can not do in real this further backing my case.

I am simply the best. Khan wins.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
WUT??? Me spelling his name wrong as a typo /= me not knowing how to spell his name you buffoon.

Incorrect, it LITERALLY can pick them up and send them in whatever direction the user wants as if it was TK. He fired it DIRECTLY at Anakin and it didn't push him in the direction he fired it.... ON THE CONTRARY. It lifted him up and Dooku CHANGED the direction from straight at him to picking him up.. and slamming him HORIZONTALLY. Not straight back, nor in the direction he originally fired it as you claimed.

How can it be a weak power when it KO'd somebody with greater durability than anybody in this thread. If it could temp KO Anakin long enough for a forum victory, it would WTF pwn anybody in this thread even easier.

So can any force aimed properly but since we only see fl that is the sensible approach since in all of these cases. We see he used it to send Anakin in the opposing direction. Watch the clip.

The guy was not ready for it. We see Luke not ko'd when he is ready. We see Windu isn't ko'd. We see it later hit Anakin when he's ready for it. Khan also has cellular regeneration whereas Anakin doesn't. Cap and Bucky also have better showings and context Anakin wasn't ready and has taken fl again from Dooku without being ko'd.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just go as it clearly knocked him backwards.

We know when tk is being used or you should know. You aren't clever enough to discern a scene.

So you agree that the vision portrayed him capable of something he can not do in real this further backing my case.

I am simply the best. Khan wins.

Yes that's what's called Force push+FL. Lightning doesn't push or levitate people, TK does.

TK being used alone by itself yes we do and we know when it's being used in conjunction with another ability. Take for instance lightsaber throw that is using TK to guide your lightsaber, you don't really think the lightsaber is cable of acting like a boomerang do you? It makes no noise besides the ones the LIGHTSBAER makes when it humes. FL doesn't lift people, TK does, FL doesn't throw people TK does. All of that is used in conjunction with each other. How do you think Dooku was able to shoot Anakin with lighting and then throw him side ways? If lightning could push him back, why go side ways and not back? That's TK right there.

So you agree he can use FL and TK at the same time since the vision showed him doing it.

Only in your mind young padawan. Team effort agin, and no one has proved they get passed his force choke.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes that's what's called Force push+FL. Lightning doesn't push or levitate people, TK does.

TK being used alone by itself yes we do and we know when it's being used in conjunction with another ability. Take for instance lightsaber throw that is using TK to guide your lightsaber, you don't really think the lightsaber is cable of acting like a boomerang do you? It makes no noise besides the ones the LIGHTSBAER makes when it humes. FL doesn't lift people, TK does, FL doesn't throw people TK does. All of that is used in conjunction with each other. How do you think Dooku was able to shoot Anakin with lighting and then throw him side ways? If lightning could push him back, why go side ways and not back? That's TK right there.

So you agree he can use FL and TK at the same time since the vision showed him doing it.

Only in your mind young padawan. Team effort agin, and no one has proved they get passed his force choke.

They are just tossing the Lightsaber not using tk unless you can prove it. I am open to proof so go ahead.

No, as he can't teleport and the vision showed that as well. 😂

What impressive guy on the level of these three has he force choked ?

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
You consistently misspelled it.

So can any force aimed properly but since we only see fl that is the sensible approach since in all of these cases. We see he used it to send Anakin in the opposing direction. Watch the clip.

The guy was not ready for it. We see Luke not ko'd when he is ready. We see Windu isn't ko'd. We see it later hit Anakin when he's ready for it. Khan also has cellular regeneration whereas Anakin doesn't. Cap and Bucky also have better showings and context Anakin wasn't ready and has taken fl again from Dooku without being ko'd.

Nope, you said FL could only send somebody backwards the way it was fired. You cited Yoda... Mace... etc. However, this was conclusively proven false. Dooku LIFTED Anakin off the ground with FL and then send him horizontal. Not backwards but Horizontal. So again, you were incorrect.

False, Anakin has greater durability feat than Khan, and easily. So if it can KO Anakin... it would WTF pwn Khan

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see fl knock Yoda backwards. Ffs watch the films you clod.

They are just tossing the Lightsaber not using tk unless you can prove it. I am open to proof so go ahead.

No, as he can't teleport and the vision showed that as well. 😂

What impressive guy on the level of these three has he force choked ?

😂

Yoda is of very small stature and of very little weight, so not really a good comparison especially when you see all the other examples of TK and Fl being used at the same time.

So your saying that someone can just throw the lightsaber and it flys? Idiotic. The proof is common sense. Lightsabers no matter what are basically laser swords. Swords don't come back once thrown. They use the force to retrieve and guide them. It's all common sense.

It actaully is an ability.

Fold Space
Fold Space is a Force power enabling a Force wielder to warp the fabric of space, thus teleporting themselves, others, or objects.

The Father teleports, from standing beside Anakin to being far above him:

https://youtu.be/groYO_51bwY 0:58-1:03 the father teleports. So yes it is an ability that can be done. Now back to the point, Sidious was still shown using TK and FL at the same time so that right there shows he can do it.

Dooku comes to mind. He choked Anakin in the vision as well.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope, you said FL could only send somebody backwards the way it was fired. You cited Yoda... Mace... etc. However, this was conclusively proven false. Dooku LIFTED Anakin off the ground with FL and then send him horizontal. Not backwards but Horizontal. So again, you were incorrect.

False, Anakin has greater durability feat than Khan, and easily. So if it can KO Anakin... it would WTF pwn Khan

No, he doesn't. Khan also has cellular regeneration. Kenobi's kicks hurt him just fine. You'd need to prove it. That's how debating works not baseless claims to back up more baseless claims.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yoda is of very small stature and of very little weight, so not really a good comparison especially when you see all the other examples of TK and Fl being used at the same time.

So your saying that someone can just throw the lightsaber and it flys? Idiotic. The proof is common sense. Lightsabers no matter what are basically laser swords. Swords don't come back once thrown. They use the force to retrieve and guide them. It's all common sense.

It actaully is an ability.

Fold Space
Fold Space is a Force power enabling a Force wielder to warp the fabric of space, thus teleporting themselves, others, or objects.

The Father teleports, from standing beside Anakin to being far above him:

https://youtu.be/groYO_51bwY 0:58-1:03 the father teleports. So yes it is an ability that can be done. Now back to the point, Sidious was still shown using TK and FL at the same time so that right there shows he can do it.

Dooku comes to mind. He choked Anakin in the vision as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sidious can't teleport and isn't the father. If he could teleport he'd have done so when he tried leaving the Yoda fight or when Vader picked him up. You are this shitty of a debater you'd pretend Sidious can teleport when you've said countless times it isn't an ability that Sidious can do. That's my claim. It's backed.

Any where in my argument did I say Sidious could teleport? No I just said that it's an ability. I found mew information so now I had to put that forth, it's called being informed you should try it. Now to get back to my point Sidious can use TK and FL at the same time as he did in the vision and we have seen people weaker than he do it and it's not a special ability, requires more concentration he's but not a unique ability. Your claim actaully isn't backed since there are too many holes in your theory that just can't be closed.

I find it laughable that you call anyone else a bad debater when your one and only tactic is trolling.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Any where in my argument did I say Sidious could teleport? No I just said that it's an ability. I found mew information so now I had to put that forth, it's called being informed you should try it. Now to get back to my point Sidious can use TK and FL at the same time as he did in the vision and we have seen people weaker than he do it and it's not a special ability, requires more concentration he's but not a unique ability. Your claim actaully isn't backed since there are too many holes in your theory that just can't be closed.

I find it laughable that you call anyone else a bad debater when your one and only tactic is trolling.

No, that's just a vision and he can't do everything he does in the vision so you need to prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sidious teleported in the vision so you agree things were accomplished impossible in the vision that he can't rep laugh. So you didn't tree clone wars.

No, that's just a vision and he can't do everything he does in the vision so you need to prove it.

Is teleportation impossible? No we just found out it's an actaul ability. Sidious was shown to use abilities that he can actaully do. He didn't even teleport he just ended the illusion on his end, that it really. So with that Sidious can use TK+FL and will if he so chooses.

So? The vision doesn't give him great powers, he gets his normal abilities.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Is teleportation impossible? No we just found out it's an actaul ability. Sidious was shown to use abilities that he can actaully do. He didn't even teleport he just ended the illusion on his end, that it really. So with that Sidious can use TK+FL and will if he so chooses.

So? The vision doesn't give him great powers, he gets his normal abilities.

He doesn't do so and you haven't proven it.

He can't teleport ffs.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't I possible but Sidious can't do it. In the vision he did thus undermining your point. I am the best.

He doesn't do so and you haven't proven it.

He can't teleport ffs.

Your point has no bases. He didn't teleport. His physical never left that temple where he and Dooku performed the ritual.

In the illusion he uses it.

He didn't teleport you idiot.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Your point has no bases. He didn't teleport. His physical never left that temple where he and Dooku performed the ritual.

In the illusion he uses it.

He didn't teleport you idiot.

Because he can't just like the other feat didn't occur in reality thus it doesn't count.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
So he can't do things he did in the vision. Point proven.

Because he can't just like the other feat didn't occur in reality thus it doesn't count.

😂

The illusion doesn't give him imaginary powers. He didn't teleport thus your point still has no bases.

Because he can't just what..teleport? He didn't teleport, thus the vision is a good label of his powers.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The illusion doesn't give him imaginary powers. He didn't teleport thus your point still has no bases.

Because he can't just what..teleport? He didn't teleport, thus the vision is a good label of his powers.

He teleported out of his robe. He can't do that in reality nor can he react in the manner in which he fought Yoda. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the force of it can drive someone backwards just as Dooku did. That doesn't translate into force freezing and fl to death. Fanboys will try to say the craziest things.

ON page 9 & 10 you continually say it can only drive them backwards and that was because of the force of FL hitting them and sending them back.

As others and I have conclusively shown, it doesn't just drive them back it can be used to lift them up and slam them in whatever direction the user chooses. So you concede that FL can be used like TK to slam somebody against something while being shocked correct?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

As others and I have conclusively shown, it doesn't just drive them back it can be used to lift them up and slam them in whatever direction the user chooses. So you concede that FL can be used like TK to slam somebody against something while being shocked correct?

It's generally considered that's a combination of FL and TK, given how in TCW episode "Crisis in Naboo" Dooku was firing FL at Anakin which was incapacitating him in a still position, and THEN Dooku pushes and Anakin goes flying back.

But fine if he doesn't accept that, then it's simply the FL that can clearly be used like TK. Either way it doesn't matter, because the result is the same, as you've consistently pointed out. And Quanchi is just playing semantics here, because he's been called out on a false argument/point he made.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You mean basis not bases. Your lack of intelligence and awareness is truly special.

He teleported out of his robe. He can't do that in reality nor can he react in the manner in which he fought Yoda. 🙂

So you agree your theory has no basis then. Either way it matters not to me.

Actually vanished. Teleported means he would take his robe with him. Vanished is what Obi wan did in a New Hope. It's ironic how you criticize me for simple misspelling when you don't even know the diffenrce between two words.