Re: Can Talzin do to Palpatine what she did to Dooku?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5DuhNdWN0&t=5m52sAssuming she has a strand of Palpatine's hair.
... Maybe?
Originally posted by ares834
It's not a ridiculous conclusion. Just an unfounded one.
How is it unfounded when he himself thought he was dead?
If you stop me from cutting your vein entirely and you almost die, its not unfounded that if I finished cutting your vein you'd die.
There's no evidence Yoda would have lived through the ritual, and any evidence we do have:
- Palpatine stating he'd deal a deadly blow to the order.
- Yoda believing he died
- The Priestest confirming he did indeed die.
- And the precedence that individuals can indeed die from a broken will
Strongly suggests that he would have died.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
How is it unfounded when he himself thought he was dead?If you stop me from cutting your vein entirely and you almost die, its not unfounded that if I finished cutting your vein you'd die.
There's no evidence Yoda would have lived through the ritual, and any evidence we do have:
- Palpatine stating he'd deal a deadly blow to the order.
- Yoda believing he died
- The Priestest confirming he did indeed die.
- And the precedence that individuals can indeed die from a broken will
Strongly suggests that he would have died.
The fact that Yoda asks if he died is frankly irrelevant. He was just in an illusion that he seemed to think was real and in it he plummeted to his “death” at which point he wakes up. So him asking if he died is understandable as the last thing he remembers is him falling from a great height. The Priestess also does not say he died but rather he died “in a way”. In other words, he did not literally die but rather metaphysically. Now whether she is talking about a trance, or a near death experience, a rebirth, or something else entirely is hard to tell, but she certainly isn’t saying he literally dies and was resurrected.
Really, the only evidence you presented here is what Palpatine states and that’s only if it’s taken at its most literal level.
The fact that Yoda asks if he died is frankly irrelevant. He was just in an illusion that he seemed to think was real and in it he plummeted to his “death” at which point he wakes up. So him asking if he died is understandable as the last thing he remembers is him falling from a great height. The Priestess also does not say he died but rather he died “in a way”. In other words, he did not literally die but rather metaphysically. Now whether she is talking about a trance, or a near death experience, a rebirth, or something else entirely is hard to tell, but she certainly isn’t saying he literally dies and was resurrected.
He's a seasoned Jedi Master fully capable of realizing when he's in an illusion. She says 'come back to us' and saying that you died in a way is still dying. He did die, he just came back.
Really, the only evidence you presented here is what Palpatine states and that’s only if it’s taken at its most literal level.
If you use some common sense you'll come to the same conclusion.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
He's a seasoned Jedi Master fully capable of realizing when he's in an illusion. She says 'come back to us' and saying that you died in a way is still dying. He did die, he just came back.
Apparently not. If he realized it was all an illusion why would he care about what happened to Anakin and Dooku?
“Come back to us” since he was in an illusion. And no, dying “in a way” is not literally dying.
Apparently not. If he realized it was all an illusion why would he care about what happened to Anakin and Dooku?
Lol he'd realize it was an illusion when Sidious vanished in a puff of smoke. Come on now.
“Come back to us” since he was in an illusion. And no, dying “in a way” is not literally dying.
He was certainly at the very least close to death. Otherwise Yoda himself would not have thought so. And lol at Yoda's opinion being inferior to your own.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Lol he'd realize it was an illusion when Sidious vanished in a puff of smoke. Come on now.
It’s almost as if Palpatine is some kind of sorcerer!
Originally posted by Lord Stark
He was certainly at the very least close to death. Otherwise Yoda himself would not have thought so. And lol at Yoda's opinion being inferior to your own.
Not at all. Like I said, he just thought he was plummeting to his apparent death. Or he could have been in some deep death-like trance. It’s really impossible to say.
Could he actually been in danger of dying? Perhaps. I just haven’t seen enough evidence to suggest it as fact.
Originally posted by ares834
It’s almost as if Palpatine is some kind of sorcerer!Not at all. Like I said, he just thought he was plummeting to his apparent death. Or he could have been in some deep death-like trance. It’s really impossible to say.
Could he actually been in danger of dying? Perhaps. I just haven’t seen enough evidence to suggest it as fact.
There's no force ability that allows you to do that though.
Uhh prove that fall would have killed him irl. Yoda's fallen from the top of the Grand Convocation chamber and shrugged it off pretty casually. This is all theory here. We're debating our opinions. All I'm saying is that there is plenty of evidence that Yoda would have died if Sidious' ritual was complete. And that my conclusion wasn't based on 'faulty reasoning'.